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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #330 on: October 19, 2015, 06:49:PM »
palast isnt the only source though.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #331 on: February 28, 2016, 05:23:PM »
   In light of events in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Libya, does anyone still buy into the ridiculous narrative of Russian aggression being fed to us by our thoroughly discredited media?
   Since this thread was started world events have moved on somewhat. The lies of the US/UK and NATO countries have been exposed for all who want to see the truth, particularly in Syria where we are now openly siding with Islamist jihadi groups.
   Does anyone still believe that Russia is the problem rather than the solution?
   Had Russia not supported the Syrian Government and left it instead to US/NATO, does anyone believe that Syria would be better off?
   Have recent world events changed the minds/ opened the eyes of any posters?

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #332 on: February 29, 2016, 07:30:AM »
   In light of events in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Libya, does anyone still buy into the ridiculous narrative of Russian aggression being fed to us by our thoroughly discredited media?

Your Still wearing the tinfoil hat then I take it. Considering since Putin has now admitted there being Russian troops in Ukraine, Plus anyone can visit Russian Social Media and see what is happening as Russian troops have uploaded photos and videos of the events. Thanks to Google Translator I was actually able to find this footage myself such as that of Russian troops taking Ukrainian soilders prisoner. Considering I don't even watch any major news networks and one can find the facts from the Russians themselves the only one peddling a rediculous narrative is yourself.

As for the Middle East Russia is helping an ally Assad this is nothing new good relations go way back. I've been telling people since 2013 that Assad is the Good guy in all this or to be pragmatic the best of a not so good bunch. Religious extremism in the Middle East will always cause mindless violence for aslong as the Religion exists. Radical Islam is a common enemy between Russia and the U.S.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #333 on: February 29, 2016, 11:57:AM »
   In light of events in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Libya, does anyone still buy into the ridiculous narrative of Russian aggression being fed to us by our thoroughly discredited media?
   Since this thread was started world events have moved on somewhat. The lies of the US/UK and NATO countries have been exposed for all who want to see the truth, particularly in Syria where we are now openly siding with Islamist jihadi groups.
   Does anyone still believe that Russia is the problem rather than the solution?
   Had Russia not supported the Syrian Government and left it instead to US/NATO, does anyone believe that Syria would be better off?
   Have recent world events changed the minds/ opened the eyes of any posters?

Your post is basically asking if people agree with you or if they are an idiot. Just so you know, you'll think I'm an idiot because I would never suggest that Russia was a solution to anything.
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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #334 on: February 29, 2016, 03:22:PM »
   In light of events in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Libya, does anyone still buy into the ridiculous narrative of Russian aggression being fed to us by our thoroughly discredited media?
   Since this thread was started world events have moved on somewhat. The lies of the US/UK and NATO countries have been exposed for all who want to see the truth, particularly in Syria where we are now openly siding with Islamist jihadi groups.
   Does anyone still believe that Russia is the problem rather than the solution?
   Had Russia not supported the Syrian Government and left it instead to US/NATO, does anyone believe that Syria would be better off?
   Have recent world events changed the minds/ opened the eyes of any posters?

I agree with you.


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #335 on: February 29, 2016, 04:36:PM »
   In light of events in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Libya, does anyone still buy into the ridiculous narrative of Russian aggression being fed to us by our thoroughly discredited media?
   Since this thread was started world events have moved on somewhat. The lies of the US/UK and NATO countries have been exposed for all who want to see the truth, particularly in Syria where we are now openly siding with Islamist jihadi groups.
   Does anyone still believe that Russia is the problem rather than the solution?
   Had Russia not supported the Syrian Government and left it instead to US/NATO, does anyone believe that Syria would be better off?
   Have recent world events changed the minds/ opened the eyes of any posters?

i wish they would make there minds up are russia the problem or issis

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #336 on: February 29, 2016, 04:37:PM »
   In light of events in Syria, Yemen, Iraq and Libya, does anyone still buy into the ridiculous narrative of Russian aggression being fed to us by our thoroughly discredited media?
   Since this thread was started world events have moved on somewhat. The lies of the US/UK and NATO countries have been exposed for all who want to see the truth, particularly in Syria where we are now openly siding with Islamist jihadi groups.
   Does anyone still believe that Russia is the problem rather than the solution?
   Had Russia not supported the Syrian Government and left it instead to US/NATO, does anyone believe that Syria would be better off?
   Have recent world events changed the minds/ opened the eyes of any posters?

Russian aggression or NATO aggression, there is little to choose between them.  Both are very capable of bombing civilians when it suits.

There is no easy solution to the Middle East and the Syrian crisis.  If Assad stays in power it is bad news but if he is removed it is still bad news and lots of people will die.  No wonder the Syrian civilians are getting the hell out!

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #337 on: February 29, 2016, 11:41:PM »
Your Still wearing the tinfoil hat then I take it. Considering since Putin has now admitted there being Russian troops in Ukraine, Plus anyone can visit Russian Social Media and see what is happening as Russian troops have uploaded photos and videos of the events. Thanks to Google Translator I was actually able to find this footage myself such as that of Russian troops taking Ukrainian soilders prisoner. Considering I don't even watch any major news networks and one can find the facts from the Russians themselves the only one peddling a rediculous narrative is yourself.

As for the Middle East Russia is helping an ally Assad this is nothing new good relations go way back. I've been telling people since 2013 that Assad is the Good guy in all this or to be pragmatic the best of a not so good bunch. Religious extremism in the Middle East will always cause mindless violence for aslong as the Religion exists. Radical Islam is a common enemy between Russia and the U.S.
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    So how do you see the US/UK, NATO, Turkey(our NATO allies), Saudi Arabia roles in Syria?
    How about the UK involvement with Saudi Arabia in the bombing causing international outrage in Yemen at the moment?
     The evidence, for those not blinded by nationalism, of western aggression is undeniable. The Russian intervention in Syria has exposed to all but the wilfully blind, that the UK/US and NATO are on the wrong side. We are attempting regime change quite openly now and still many are wearing blinkers.
     The truth is that Putin and Russia, along with Iran and Hezbollah, are all that stands to protect the  Christians, Druze, Yazidis, Shia and Alawite muslims plus various other minority groups(all protected under Assad's secular government) from the western sponsored jihadists. The supporting of jihadi groups and calls for Assad to go can only lead to one thing. A failed state and slaughter on a mass scale of non Wahhabists.
    The plans of the West have nothing to do with the benefit of the Syrian people and everything to do with serving vested interests. How else can anyone explain Western actions in Syria?
    We were lied to about WMD in Iraq which is now an anarchic state overrun by various islamist factions.
    We were lied to and misled about imminent slaughter and no fly zones in Libya which is now a failed state overrun by various Islamist factions.
    There is a saying, which that great orator of our time, Dubya, famously managed to mangle.
    "Fool me once, shame on you,
      fool me twice, shame on me"
     We are being lied to by the same people again about Syria and Ukraine, but ssh don't mention Yemen.
     Many it seems are willing to be fooled thrice.
     Ukraine has not been invaded, Russia don't need to invade since the east of the country is largely ethnic and pro Russian anyway.Some Russian soldiers being in Ukraine does not constitute an invasion. You really need to learn more and stop swallowing propaganda. By your metric the US has invaded Syria, given that they(the US) admit to having "forces embedded amongst the rebels", no doubt the nice fluffy moderate ones that the Pentagon insists, against all evidence, actually exist.
     The moderate terrorists seem to appear and disappear depending on the narrative that day.
     It was only in October that the Pentagon scrapped it's train and equip program after spending $500m and being left with four or five rebels remaining when the majority defected to Jabhat Al Nusra, along with their $500m of US arms and training. At this time it was declared that there were very few non jihadist rebels in Syria by Ashton Carter(US spokesman/propagandist)
     As soon as Russia started bombing however, according the US et al, moderate rebels were everywhere and the Russians and Assad were only targeting "moderates" and not ISIS.
     Quite what the fuck it has to do with US/UK, NATO, Saudi, Turkey etc. is left unexplained(can of worms best left unopened). They don't explain what their interest is in who governs a country that has nothing to do with them. It is absurd to be protesting on behalf of terrorists who are attempting to overthrow a government. Russia are there to help the recognised Syrian government overcome a terrorist threat. That terrorist threat is openly supported by countries allied to us and has the aim of overthrowing a government that even NATO admit would likely win free and fair elections and would have done so at any time during this supposed civil war (In reality a US sponsored attempt at regime change ably assisted by the usual suspects).
     
   
    So called Russian aggression is in fact Russian response to Western aggression and standing up to NATO which is nothing more than cover for aggressive US foreign policy.
    At the moment Russia are a necessary bulwark against the destructive Western foreign policy in the Middle East and are preventing the destruction and break up of Syria by the terrorist proxies of US/Nato.
     US meddling in Ukraine is not even disputed. What is their interest there?
     That some are too blind to see that they are being fooled by the same propaganda by the same propagandists, but this time it is Russia who must be dealt with, shows their gullibility.
     Facts don't lie and for anyone in any doubt, take a look at a map.
     If you do please point out all of the foreign Russian bases and Russian forces abroad.
     Then look for all of the US bases and troops stationed around the world.
     If you still conclude that Russia is the aggressor then there is no hope for you
     

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #338 on: March 01, 2016, 01:06:AM »
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    So how do you see the US/UK, NATO, Turkey(our NATO allies), Saudi Arabia roles in Syria?
    How about the UK involvement with Saudi Arabia in the bombing causing international outrage in Yemen at the moment?
     The evidence, for those not blinded by nationalism, of western aggression is undeniable. The Russian intervention in Syria has exposed to all but the wilfully blind, that the UK/US and NATO are on the wrong side. We are attempting regime change quite openly now and still many are wearing blinkers.
     The truth is that Putin and Russia, along with Iran and Hezbollah, are all that stands to protect the  Christians, Druze, Yazidis, Shia and Alawite muslims plus various other minority groups(all protected under Assad's secular government) from the western sponsored jihadists. The supporting of jihadi groups and calls for Assad to go can only lead to one thing. A failed state and slaughter on a mass scale of non Wahhabists.
    The plans of the West have nothing to do with the benefit of the Syrian people and everything to do with serving vested interests. How else can anyone explain Western actions in Syria?
    We were lied to about WMD in Iraq which is now an anarchic state overrun by various islamist factions.
    We were lied to and misled about imminent slaughter and no fly zones in Libya which is now a failed state overrun by various Islamist factions.
    There is a saying, which that great orator of our time, Dubya, famously managed to mangle.
    "Fool me once, shame on you,
      fool me twice, shame on me"
     We are being lied to by the same people again about Syria and Ukraine, but ssh don't mention Yemen.
     Many it seems are willing to be fooled thrice.
     Ukraine has not been invaded, Russia don't need to invade since the east of the country is largely ethnic and pro Russian anyway.Some Russian soldiers being in Ukraine does not constitute an invasion. You really need to learn more and stop swallowing propaganda. By your metric the US has invaded Syria, given that they(the US) admit to having "forces embedded amongst the rebels", no doubt the nice fluffy moderate ones that the Pentagon insists, against all evidence, actually exist.
     The moderate terrorists seem to appear and disappear depending on the narrative that day.
     It was only in October that the Pentagon scrapped it's train and equip program after spending $500m and being left with four or five rebels remaining when the majority defected to Jabhat Al Nusra, along with their $500m of US arms and training. At this time it was declared that there were very few non jihadist rebels in Syria by Ashton Carter(US spokesman/propagandist)
     As soon as Russia started bombing however, according the US et al, moderate rebels were everywhere and the Russians and Assad were only targeting "moderates" and not ISIS.
     Quite what the fuck it has to do with US/UK, NATO, Saudi, Turkey etc. is left unexplained(can of worms best left unopened). They don't explain what their interest is in who governs a country that has nothing to do with them. It is absurd to be protesting on behalf of terrorists who are attempting to overthrow a government. Russia are there to help the recognised Syrian government overcome a terrorist threat. That terrorist threat is openly supported by countries allied to us and has the aim of overthrowing a government that even NATO admit would likely win free and fair elections and would have done so at any time during this supposed civil war (In reality a US sponsored attempt at regime change ably assisted by the usual suspects).
     
   
    So called Russian aggression is in fact Russian response to Western aggression and standing up to NATO which is nothing more than cover for aggressive US foreign policy.
    At the moment Russia are a necessary bulwark against the destructive Western foreign policy in the Middle East and are preventing the destruction and break up of Syria by the terrorist proxies of US/Nato.
     US meddling in Ukraine is not even disputed. What is their interest there?
     That some are too blind to see that they are being fooled by the same propaganda by the same propagandists, but this time it is Russia who must be dealt with, shows their gullibility.
     Facts don't lie and for anyone in any doubt, take a look at a map.
     If you do please point out all of the foreign Russian bases and Russian forces abroad.
     Then look for all of the US bases and troops stationed around the world.
     If you still conclude that Russia is the aggressor then there is no hope for you
   

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #339 on: March 01, 2016, 12:12:PM »
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    So how do you see the US/UK, NATO, Turkey(our NATO allies), Saudi Arabia roles in Syria?
    How about the UK involvement with Saudi Arabia in the bombing causing international outrage in Yemen at the moment?
     The evidence, for those not blinded by nationalism, of western aggression is undeniable. The Russian intervention in Syria has exposed to all but the wilfully blind, that the UK/US and NATO are on the wrong side. We are attempting regime change quite openly now and still many are wearing blinkers.
     The truth is that Putin and Russia, along with Iran and Hezbollah, are all that stands to protect the  Christians, Druze, Yazidis, Shia and Alawite muslims plus various other minority groups(all protected under Assad's secular government) from the western sponsored jihadists. The supporting of jihadi groups and calls for Assad to go can only lead to one thing. A failed state and slaughter on a mass scale of non Wahhabists.
    The plans of the West have nothing to do with the benefit of the Syrian people and everything to do with serving vested interests. How else can anyone explain Western actions in Syria?
    We were lied to about WMD in Iraq which is now an anarchic state overrun by various islamist factions.
    We were lied to and misled about imminent slaughter and no fly zones in Libya which is now a failed state overrun by various Islamist factions.
    There is a saying, which that great orator of our time, Dubya, famously managed to mangle.
    "Fool me once, shame on you,
      fool me twice, shame on me"
     We are being lied to by the same people again about Syria and Ukraine, but ssh don't mention Yemen.
     Many it seems are willing to be fooled thrice.
     Ukraine has not been invaded, Russia don't need to invade since the east of the country is largely ethnic and pro Russian anyway.Some Russian soldiers being in Ukraine does not constitute an invasion. You really need to learn more and stop swallowing propaganda. By your metric the US has invaded Syria, given that they(the US) admit to having "forces embedded amongst the rebels", no doubt the nice fluffy moderate ones that the Pentagon insists, against all evidence, actually exist.
     The moderate terrorists seem to appear and disappear depending on the narrative that day.
     It was only in October that the Pentagon scrapped it's train and equip program after spending $500m and being left with four or five rebels remaining when the majority defected to Jabhat Al Nusra, along with their $500m of US arms and training. At this time it was declared that there were very few non jihadist rebels in Syria by Ashton Carter(US spokesman/propagandist)
     As soon as Russia started bombing however, according the US et al, moderate rebels were everywhere and the Russians and Assad were only targeting "moderates" and not ISIS.
     Quite what the fuck it has to do with US/UK, NATO, Saudi, Turkey etc. is left unexplained(can of worms best left unopened). They don't explain what their interest is in who governs a country that has nothing to do with them. It is absurd to be protesting on behalf of terrorists who are attempting to overthrow a government. Russia are there to help the recognised Syrian government overcome a terrorist threat. That terrorist threat is openly supported by countries allied to us and has the aim of overthrowing a government that even NATO admit would likely win free and fair elections and would have done so at any time during this supposed civil war (In reality a US sponsored attempt at regime change ably assisted by the usual suspects).
     
   
    So called Russian aggression is in fact Russian response to Western aggression and standing up to NATO which is nothing more than cover for aggressive US foreign policy.
    At the moment Russia are a necessary bulwark against the destructive Western foreign policy in the Middle East and are preventing the destruction and break up of Syria by the terrorist proxies of US/Nato.
     US meddling in Ukraine is not even disputed. What is their interest there?
     That some are too blind to see that they are being fooled by the same propaganda by the same propagandists, but this time it is Russia who must be dealt with, shows their gullibility.
     Facts don't lie and for anyone in any doubt, take a look at a map.
     If you do please point out all of the foreign Russian bases and Russian forces abroad.
     Then look for all of the US bases and troops stationed around the world.
     If you still conclude that Russia is the aggressor then there is no hope for you
   

Well argued Gringo.  A very fair assessment.


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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #340 on: March 01, 2016, 01:03:PM »
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    So how do you see the US/UK, NATO, Turkey(our NATO allies), Saudi Arabia roles in Syria?
    How about the UK involvement with Saudi Arabia in the bombing causing international outrage in Yemen at the moment?
     The evidence, for those not blinded by nationalism, of western aggression is undeniable. The Russian intervention in Syria has exposed to all but the wilfully blind, that the UK/US and NATO are on the wrong side. We are attempting regime change quite openly now and still many are wearing blinkers.
     The truth is that Putin and Russia, along with Iran and Hezbollah, are all that stands to protect the  Christians, Druze, Yazidis, Shia and Alawite muslims plus various other minority groups(all protected under Assad's secular government) from the western sponsored jihadists. The supporting of jihadi groups and calls for Assad to go can only lead to one thing. A failed state and slaughter on a mass scale of non Wahhabists.
    The plans of the West have nothing to do with the benefit of the Syrian people and everything to do with serving vested interests. How else can anyone explain Western actions in Syria?
    We were lied to about WMD in Iraq which is now an anarchic state overrun by various islamist factions.
    We were lied to and misled about imminent slaughter and no fly zones in Libya which is now a failed state overrun by various Islamist factions.
    There is a saying, which that great orator of our time, Dubya, famously managed to mangle.
    "Fool me once, shame on you,
      fool me twice, shame on me"
     We are being lied to by the same people again about Syria and Ukraine, but ssh don't mention Yemen.
     Many it seems are willing to be fooled thrice.
     Ukraine has not been invaded, Russia don't need to invade since the east of the country is largely ethnic and pro Russian anyway.Some Russian soldiers being in Ukraine does not constitute an invasion. You really need to learn more and stop swallowing propaganda. By your metric the US has invaded Syria, given that they(the US) admit to having "forces embedded amongst the rebels", no doubt the nice fluffy moderate ones that the Pentagon insists, against all evidence, actually exist.
     The moderate terrorists seem to appear and disappear depending on the narrative that day.
     It was only in October that the Pentagon scrapped it's train and equip program after spending $500m and being left with four or five rebels remaining when the majority defected to Jabhat Al Nusra, along with their $500m of US arms and training. At this time it was declared that there were very few non jihadist rebels in Syria by Ashton Carter(US spokesman/propagandist)
     As soon as Russia started bombing however, according the US et al, moderate rebels were everywhere and the Russians and Assad were only targeting "moderates" and not ISIS.
     Quite what the fuck it has to do with US/UK, NATO, Saudi, Turkey etc. is left unexplained(can of worms best left unopened). They don't explain what their interest is in who governs a country that has nothing to do with them. It is absurd to be protesting on behalf of terrorists who are attempting to overthrow a government. Russia are there to help the recognised Syrian government overcome a terrorist threat. That terrorist threat is openly supported by countries allied to us and has the aim of overthrowing a government that even NATO admit would likely win free and fair elections and would have done so at any time during this supposed civil war (In reality a US sponsored attempt at regime change ably assisted by the usual suspects).
     
   
    So called Russian aggression is in fact Russian response to Western aggression and standing up to NATO which is nothing more than cover for aggressive US foreign policy.
    At the moment Russia are a necessary bulwark against the destructive Western foreign policy in the Middle East and are preventing the destruction and break up of Syria by the terrorist proxies of US/Nato.
     US meddling in Ukraine is not even disputed. What is their interest there?
     That some are too blind to see that they are being fooled by the same propaganda by the same propagandists, but this time it is Russia who must be dealt with, shows their gullibility.
     Facts don't lie and for anyone in any doubt, take a look at a map.
     If you do please point out all of the foreign Russian bases and Russian forces abroad.
     Then look for all of the US bases and troops stationed around the world.
     If you still conclude that Russia is the aggressor then there is no hope for you
   
I agree with the above, the west are the cause of most of the trouble in the world and we never seem to learn.
It seems crazy that after the apparent condemnation of the destruction of Iraq the west is at it again.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #341 on: March 01, 2016, 01:22:PM »
I agree with the above, the west are the cause of most of the trouble in the world and we never seem to learn.
It seems crazy that after the apparent condemnation of the destruction of Iraq the west is at it again.
Quite right Maggie, one only has to look at Tony Blair and his track record.

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« Reply #342 on: March 01, 2016, 01:49:PM »
Quite right Maggie, one only has to look at Tony Blair and his track record.
I agree but why only Toni Blair what about Bush and all those Hawks, they were the power base.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #343 on: March 01, 2016, 02:46:PM »
i cant see that the west can take on putin and isis at the same time and hope to win surely you have to decide wich ones worse and they got to be isis.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #344 on: March 01, 2016, 03:20:PM »
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