Russia - worrying?

[gringo]

This is a terrible tragedy; unbelievably sad. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

    What is particularly, "terribly tragic" and "unbelieving sad" about a two bit crook and obvious asset of western intelligence agencies dying. I can think of much more tragic and unbelievably sad events currently ongoing in the world much more deserving of your attention. There is real evidence that massive crimes against humanity killing hundreds of civilians daily daily are ongoing which you are happy to whitewash but you find the death of a crook, traitor and hustler like Navalny tragic. You're a sucker for western propaganda and concern yourself about exactly the things that you are instructed to concern yourself with.
 

[gringo]

This is a terrible tragedy; unbelievably sad. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

    https://news.yahoo.com/pro-russian-blogger-gonzalo-lira-170300542.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbJI_GP1IGo

     But you didn't find it tragic nor sad when US citizen and journalist, Gonzalo Lira was killed by the Ukrainian authorities in prison. You were probably unaware of it because you hadn't been instructed to care about Gonzalo Lira. You act as an apologist for the disgraceful imprisonment of Julian Assange. You don't find Navalny's death tragic or sad really, you are simply following your training.

[gringo]

https://www.workers.org/2021/02/54546/

    If you want to know what it is you were unwittingly supporting then read the above. Navalny didn't stand for any kind of values that you imagine. An extract below;

"Navalny is not a political unknown. For many years he has been in the limelight, in the media, on video and in the streets in fascist mobilizations that call for expelling all non-Russian peoples from Russia. Navalny was a driving force in the annual anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant “Russian March” in Moscow. Its central themes are “Take Back Russia,” “Russia for Russians” and “Stop Feeding the Caucasus” — the latter a demand to end federal subsidies to poorer, less-developed, largely Muslim regions of Russia.

The Russian March rallies were gatherings of Nazi elements, monarchists and religious Orthodox groups. On display were swastikas, confederate flags, religious insignia and calls for “white revenge.” These ultranationalist rallies were countered most years by left-wing demonstrations led by Russian Anti-Fascist Front, progressive street activists and young communists.

Navalny is the organizer of the “Movement Against Illegal Immigrants” and “Great Russia,” and he has called for the breakup of Russia. He has demanded the expulsion of all peoples from the Caucasus and Asia, whether they are citizens living in what is still part of the Russian Federation or are from surrounding Central Asian republics, which were severed after the Soviet Union collapsed. On video Navalny has whipped up sectarian violence by labeling people of the Caucasus “rotten teeth, to be extracted” and “cockroaches that must be exterminated.”[/b]

[gringo]

   Here he is in his own words

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT0tCSaWZ9Q

[Steve_uk]

    What is particularly, "terribly tragic" and "unbelieving sad" about a two bit crook and obvious asset of western intelligence agencies dying. I can think of much more tragic and unbelievably sad events currently ongoing in the world much more deserving of your attention. There is real evidence that massive crimes against humanity killing hundreds of civilians daily daily are ongoing which you are happy to whitewash but you find the death of a crook, traitor and hustler like Navalny tragic. You're a sucker for western propaganda and concern yourself about exactly the things that you are instructed to concern yourself with.
 

No scintilla of evidence he was a crook. It's terribly tragic and his death will reverberate around the world for decades to come. https://youtu.be/guS87gDs5vg

[Steve_uk]

    https://news.yahoo.com/pro-russian-blogger-gonzalo-lira-170300542.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbJI_GP1IGo

     But you didn't find it tragic nor sad when US citizen and journalist, Gonzalo Lira was killed by the Ukrainian authorities in prison. You were probably unaware of it because you hadn't been instructed to care about Gonzalo Lira. You act as an apologist for the disgraceful imprisonment of Julian Assange. You don't find Navalny's death tragic or sad really, you are simply following your training.

I don't know the full circumstances surrounding the death of Gonzalo Lira and neither do you. In times of war a country does intern Lord Haw Haw-type figures. As for Navalny, his death follows a pattern, as you well know, and marks the beginning of the end of the Putin regime.

[gringo]

I don't know the full circumstances surrounding the death of Gonzalo Lira and neither do you. In times of war a country does intern Lord Haw Haw-type figures. As for Navalny, his death follows a pattern, as you well know, and marks the beginning of the end of the Putin regime.

    You know the circumstances of Gonzalo Liras death much better than those of Navalny. You know nothing, literally, of the circumstances of Navalny's death but still comment with your ill informed drivel. You have been predicting Putin's demise for years and demonstrate only your total lack of any understanding of anything, as usual.
     The Ukrainians are in total disarray as are the NATO alliance members behind this. General Zaluzhny out and Syrsky in-a disaster unfolding at Adveevka. Russia are slow grinding Ukraine and NATO into ignominious defeat. Ukrainian troops hate Syrksy and he is referred to as "the butcher" because of his disregard for Ukrainian soldiers lives at the expense of land. Zaluzhny, on the other hand is respected by the UAF(Ukraine Armed Forces). The whole shit show of bringing down Russia has failed spectacularly and inevitably into their own demise.
     You need to learn to discern the difference between Western propaganda and factual reporting. You have been consistently wrong in your analysis throughout the entirety of this and other related threads. Putin has been dying/about to be overthrown for the last ten years. Russia about to collapse economically and militarily for the last ten years. Instead the west (EU and UK) officially in recession whilst Russia grows to the biggest economy in Europe. Militarily Russia are gaining strength whilst NATO/Ukraine are flailing and failing in a war of attrition that they have no hope of winning.
      NATO are defeated in Ukraine, this was always inevitable. Anyone who understands anything about geopolitics and military matters always knew this. The rest of the world also see NATO's defeat. It was a huge strategic error by NATO to provoke Russia. The end of this war will see NATO, not Russia, defanged forever.

[gringo]

I don't know the full circumstances surrounding the death of Gonzalo Lira and neither do you. In times of war a country does intern Lord Haw Haw-type figures. As for Navalny, his death follows a pattern, as you well know, and marks the beginning of the end of the Putin regime.

    Tell us more of the "pattern" that Navalny's death follows. Instead of repeating your meaningless fact free mantra-tell the facts about this pattern. When you have done this, perhaps you will also explain how and why Navalny's death marks the beginning of the end of Putin.
     You are like a trained dog, responding on command to your training and your outrage is exactly per your training. You will not be able to explain any pattern nor how Putin's rule is at its end.

[Steve_uk]

    You know the circumstances of Gonzalo Liras death much better than those of Navalny. You know nothing, literally, of the circumstances of Navalny's death but still comment with your ill informed drivel. You have been predicting Putin's demise for years and demonstrate only your total lack of any understanding of anything, as usual.
     The Ukrainians are in total disarray as are the NATO alliance members behind this. General Zaluzhny out and Syrsky in-a disaster unfolding at Adveevka. Russia are slow grinding Ukraine and NATO into ignominious defeat. Ukrainian troops hate Syrksy and he is referred to as "the butcher" because of his disregard for Ukrainian soldiers lives at the expense of land. Zaluzhny, on the other hand is respected by the UAF(Ukraine Armed Forces). The whole shit show of bringing down Russia has failed spectacularly and inevitably into their own demise.
     You need to learn to discern the difference between Western propaganda and factual reporting. You have been consistently wrong in your analysis throughout the entirety of this and other related threads. Putin has been dying/about to be overthrown for the last ten years. Russia about to collapse economically and militarily for the last ten years. Instead the west (EU and UK) officially in recession whilst Russia grows to the biggest economy in Europe. Militarily Russia are gaining strength whilst NATO/Ukraine are flailing and failing in a war of attrition that they have no hope of winning.
      NATO are defeated in Ukraine, this was always inevitable. Anyone who understands anything about geopolitics and military matters always knew this. The rest of the world also see NATO's defeat. It was a huge strategic error by NATO to provoke Russia. The end of this war will see NATO, not Russia, defanged forever.

I have never stated that Ukraine is going to win the war. I have always argued for a negotiated solution, but that is up to the democratically-elected leader of Ukraine to decide, not myself.

Russia is experiencing a boom due to oil exports and increased military spending, but it may find it's storing up problems for the future. https://www.omfif.org/2024/02/russian-economic-resilience-is-not-what-it-seems/

[Steve_uk]

    Tell us more of the "pattern" that Navalny's death follows. Instead of repeating your meaningless fact free mantra-tell the facts about this pattern. When you have done this, perhaps you will also explain how and why Navalny's death marks the beginning of the end of Putin.
     You are like a trained dog, responding on command to your training and your outrage is exactly per your training. You will not be able to explain any pattern nor how Putin's rule is at its end.

The murders of Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Nemtsov, the many Russian oligarchs living in exile, the downing of the plane carrying Yevgeny Prigozhin, the attempted murders of the Skripals. https://youtu.be/vM04zNbsaJg

I don't want ordinary Russians to suffer. It's incredibly difficult to remove a dictator once entrenched. Look at Adolf Hitler, who led a cultured nation to disaster for twelve years. I'm afraid Putin is descending into madness, dragging his entourage down with him.

You simply don't understand how a totalitarian state works. It's you who is the rookie commentator.

[gringo]

The murders of Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Nemtsov, the many Russian oligarchs living in exile, the downing of the plane carrying Yevgeny Prigozhin, the attempted murders of the Skripals. https://youtu.be/vM04zNbsaJg

I don't want ordinary Russians to suffer. It's incredibly difficult to remove a dictator once entrenched. Look at Adolf Hitler, who led a cultured nation to disaster for twelve years. I'm afraid Putin is descending into madness, dragging his entourage down with him.

You simply don't understand how a totalitarian state works. It's you who is the rookie commentator.

   The only "pattern" that Navalny's death follows is that Putin is getting blamed for any death of any Russian despite the lack of any evidence. Your view of Russia and Putin is infantile nonsense and bears no relation to reality. Your lack of knowledge of Lira's death in Ukrainian custody is due to the fact that it wasn't reported in the biased western media that you limit yourself to. It doesn't really suit the narrative so is ignored completely. If you were at all intellectually curious and interested in finding the truth in complex propagandised issues then you would have easily and readily found many articles about US citizen and journalist Gonzalo Lira's death from deliberate medical neglect;

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/12/gonzalo-lira-dies-ukrainian-prison/

     You know little because your research is limited. You seek confirmation bias rather than truth. Your poor history of analysis throughout the years of this thread where you have been consistently wrong and proven to be wrong in your "analysis" by time and later events should give you pause for thought, but it doesn't. According to you Russia should already be crushed economically and militarily. The total opposite is true but you still haven't woken up to the fact that you are swallowing lies and propaganda.

[gringo]

No scintilla of evidence he was a crook. It's terribly tragic and his death will reverberate around the world for decades to come. https://youtu.be/guS87gDs5vg

   He was a convicted fraudster and embezzler. His death will not reverberate around the world. It will only register in the western world whose intelligence asset he was. To the majority of the world and Russia he was insignificant. The only thing reverberating around the world is the genocide in Palestine and western complicity in that genocide. Nobody but the genocidaires give a fuck about Navalny. As expected, you are with the genocidaires.

[Steve_uk]

   The only "pattern" that Navalny's death follows is that Putin is getting blamed for any death of any Russian despite the lack of any evidence. Your view of Russia and Putin is infantile nonsense and bears no relation to reality. Your lack of knowledge of Lira's death in Ukrainian custody is due to the fact that it wasn't reported in the biased western media that you limit yourself to. It doesn't really suit the narrative so is ignored completely. If you were at all intellectually curious and interested in finding the truth in complex propagandised issues then you would have easily and readily found many articles about US citizen and journalist Gonzalo Lira's death from deliberate medical neglect;

https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/12/gonzalo-lira-dies-ukrainian-prison/

     You know little because your research is limited. You seek confirmation bias rather than truth. Your poor history of analysis throughout the years of this thread where you have been consistently wrong and proven to be wrong in your "analysis" by time and later events should give you pause for thought, but it doesn't. According to you Russia should already be crushed economically and militarily. The total opposite is true but you still haven't woken up to the fact that you are swallowing lies and propaganda.

He was an overweight, chain-smoking misogynist, though I did not wish him dead. Members can make up their own minds here: https://youtu.be/4nyvrMYGEz4

[Steve_uk]

   He was a convicted fraudster and embezzler. His death will not reverberate around the world. It will only register in the western world whose intelligence asset he was. To the majority of the world and Russia he was insignificant. The only thing reverberating around the world is the genocide in Palestine and western complicity in that genocide. Nobody but the genocidaires give a fuck about Navalny. As expected, you are with the genocidaires.

By whose rules: Putin's?

Navalny in his own words: https://youtu.be/O6zdi6Q6p7o

[ngb1066]

I don't know the full circumstances surrounding the death of Gonzalo Lira and neither do you. In times of war a country does intern Lord Haw Haw-type figures. As for Navalny, his death follows a pattern, as you well know, and marks the beginning of the end of the Putin regime.

Gonzalo Lira was not a "Lord Haw Haw-type figure".  For a start he was not a Ukrainian citizen so could not be accused of treason.  He was courageous in expressing his opinion about Ukraine and exposing what was going on and as a result, as predicted, he was murdered by the fascism scum you support there.  This is not going to end well for your chums and I predict Zelensky will meet an unpleasant end at the hands of those he has served in Ukraine.  He is close to outliving his usefulness and they will dispose of him.