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Offline mike tesko

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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2015, 08:39:AM »

That was in 1985, since when, we have television crews and banks of reporters standing on the edge of crime scenes almost BEFORE a crime has been committed, giving minute by minute details and updates, TELLING us about changing details as they get them.

Telivision crews and the worlds media  circus have absolutely no input in the completion of entries in a crime scene register, qhich in this instance was the responsibility of 'Ron' Cook. He arrives at the scene at 9.20am" and he is delayed by 40 minutes before he is given control of the scene at 10 O''clock. Yet, even before hwesets foot into the farmhouse, somebody has already told him three very importanr and significant pieces od information - (1) that a person has been found shot dead, (2) that a person has been shot dead, and (3) that a person has committed sucide (source of informatin unknown)...

Well, it should be obvious to everybody that 'Ron' Cook is talking about the two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen,  where reference to a person having been found shot is concerning Ralph Bamber, and the other references to a person having been shot dead, and a person has committed suicide, is a sole reference to the shooting of Sheila, which police themselve chose to turn it into a suicide
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Thw truth can be found in the original hand written crime report register completed by 'Ron' Cook, himself...
« Last Edit: February 26, 2015, 09:14:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2015, 08:41:AM »

That was in 1985, since when, we have television crews and banks of reporters standing on the edge of crime scenes almost BEFORE a crime has been committed, giving minute by minute details and updates, TELLING us about changing details as they get them.
Anything to avoid the question eh April? ::)

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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2015, 09:23:AM »
The contents of the first paragraph of the Scenes of crume register which were completed after 'Ron' Cooks arrived at the scene at around 9.20am, mirroring the contents of the police mesagge logs, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42 am, and 7.45am, 1 hour and 35 minutes, earlier...

A person has been found shot dead (Ralph Bamber)
A person has been shot dead (Sheila Caffell)
A person has commited suicide (Sheila Caffell)...
« Last Edit: February 26, 2015, 10:41:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2015, 09:55:AM »
The contents of the first paragraph of the Scenes of crume register which were completed after 'Ron' Cooks arrived at the scene at around 9.20am, mirroring the contents of the police mesagge logs, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42 am, and 7.45am, 1 hour and 35 minutes, earlier...

A person has been found shot dead (Ralph Bamber)
A person has been shot dead (Sheila Caffell)
A person has commited suicide (Sheila Caffell)...

7.37am - "The body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female"...
7.38am - "One dead male, one dead female"...
7.42am - "Can someone contact the police surgeon, and the Coroners officer regarding two bodies"...

inda in control room, pbones DS Davidson at home:-

7.45am - "Can you come into the office ASAP becausepolice are dealing with an incident at whf, involving a murder, and a suicide"...
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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2015, 10:11:AM »
It's all there if you would care to look - they shot Sheila, and killed her, then set about making her death appear like a suicide. Sheila's death had nothing whatsoever to do with Jeremy Bamber...
« Last Edit: February 26, 2015, 10:12:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2015, 10:14:AM »
Mike,I was convinced of that back in 1985 when the tragedy occurred,but at that time I hadn't blamed the police for having taken part.

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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2015, 10:28:AM »
It's a waste of time, trying to prove that Sheila killed herself, because she didn't. Stick with what I am telling you because it is the absolute truth - police shot and killed Sheila, they covered what they had done up, by faking the crime scene to make it look like she had committed suicide
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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2015, 12:15:PM »
It's a waste of time, trying to prove that Sheila killed herself, because she didn't. Stick with what I am telling you because it is the absolute truth - police shot and killed Sheila, they covered what they had done up, by faking the crime scene to make it look like she had committed suicide

What I can now reveal for the very first time is:-
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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2015, 12:21:PM »
Mike,I was convinced of that back in 1985 when the tragedy occurred,but at that time I hadn't blamed the police for having taken part.





Notice I said " hadn't ",which comes to the question of the first shot which I've always thought,wasn't self-administered,but was there before the police had entered.

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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2015, 12:32:PM »
On 9th August 1985, hand swabs  taken from the hands of Sheila were  received and rejected  at the lab' because they had arrived there in the same exhibit bag as a firearm..


Who's firearm?
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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2015, 12:43:PM »
On 9th August 1985, hand swabs  taken from the hands of Sheila were  received and rejected  at the lab' because they had arrived there in the same exhibit bag as a firearm..


Who's firearm?





What sort of a firearm would be in the same bag as swabs ? A regulated handgun,maybe ?

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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2015, 04:06:PM »
On 9th August 1985, hand swabs  taken from the hands of Sheila were  received and rejected  at the lab' because they had arrived there in the same exhibit bag as a firearm..


Who's firearm?

It wasn't in the same exhibit bag as a firearm.  The courier brought items from severla cases. There was weapon was from a different case which was handed over the same time as the bag with the swabs. That doesn't contaminate the inside of bags so it was an improper rejection.  In any event if the contamination had occurred it would have benefitted Jeremy because it would have transferred GSR to the swabs and resulted in the false evidence that Sheila had GSR on her hands.

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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2015, 04:17:PM »
whatever ::)

DETECTION OF GUNSHOT DISCHARGE RESIDUES
It is possible to detect on the back of the firing hand of individuals, who had discharged a weapon,
traces of the metals barium, antimony and lead, originating from the primer of the cartridge. Cotton
tipped swabs moistened with either 10% hydrochloric acid or 5% nitric acid are used to recover
residues for analysis by flameless atomic absorption spectrometry (FAAS) and neutron activation
analysis (NAA). Adhesive material is used to recover residues for analysis using scanning electron
microscopy and EDAX.
Problems to be aware of:
i. All three metals are not necessarily present in some rimfire primers.
ii. Neutron activation only detects antimony and barium, and must be used in conjunction with
FAAS to detect lead.
iii.NAA and FAAS are both quantitative elemental analytical methods which do not
distinguish the source of the metals. False positives are therefore theoretically possible.
iv.Although SEM with EDAX can potentially absolutely identify gunshot residue, often the
result is typical but not unique. In practice residues are detectable in 90% of persons who
have fired handguns, but only 50% of persons who have fired rifles and shotguns.
v. The quantity and distribution of the three metals can be described as consistent or not
consistent with gunshot residue and thus with firing a weapon.
vi. Residues on the palms of the hands may indicate a defence gesture, or alternatively the
handling of a previously fired weapon.
vii.In suicides residues are often detected on the non-firing hand used to steady the muzzle
against the body.
viii.Residues of barium alone may be the result of contamination with barium rich soil.
In the UK, firearms discharge residue kits are available from the Metropolitan Police Forensic
Science Laboratory, the Home Office Forensic Science Service Laboratory at Chorley and the

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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2015, 04:46:PM »
Jan,I think you're forgetting that what was detected in residue was from everyday utensils. ::)  ;D ;D ;D.

That being the case,we'd be suffering lead poisoning or problems arising from aluminium in our bodies from the use,everyday of pan-cooked food.

Somehow,I couldn't imagine Sheila with those nails,scrubbing pans,etc.

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Re: 26th February, 10am deadline:
« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2015, 05:29:PM »
whatever ::)

DETECTION OF GUNSHOT DISCHARGE RESIDUES
It is possible to detect on the back of the firing hand of individuals, who had discharged a weapon,
traces of the metals barium, antimony and lead, originating from the primer of the cartridge. Cotton
tipped swabs moistened with either 10% hydrochloric acid or 5% nitric acid are used to recover
residues for analysis by flameless atomic absorption spectrometry (FAAS) and neutron activation
analysis (NAA). Adhesive material is used to recover residues for analysis using scanning electron
microscopy and EDAX.
Problems to be aware of:
i. All three metals are not necessarily present in some rimfire primers.
ii. Neutron activation only detects antimony and barium, and must be used in conjunction with
FAAS to detect lead.
iii.NAA and FAAS are both quantitative elemental analytical methods which do not
distinguish the source of the metals. False positives are therefore theoretically possible.
iv.Although SEM with EDAX can potentially absolutely identify gunshot residue, often the
result is typical but not unique. In practice residues are detectable in 90% of persons who
have fired handguns, but only 50% of persons who have fired rifles and shotguns.
v. The quantity and distribution of the three metals can be described as consistent or not
consistent with gunshot residue and thus with firing a weapon.
vi. Residues on the palms of the hands may indicate a defence gesture, or alternatively the
handling of a previously fired weapon.
vii.In suicides residues are often detected on the non-firing hand used to steady the muzzle
against the body.
viii.Residues of barium alone may be the result of contamination with barium rich soil.
In the UK, firearms discharge residue kits are available from the Metropolitan Police Forensic
Science Laboratory, the Home Office Forensic Science Service Laboratory at Chorley and the

So IN GENERAL if someone fires a shot with a rifle there is a 50% chance of that shot leaving a suitable amount of PGSR to be detected.  That is a single shot.  What is the chance of firing 25 shots and no PGSR being left?

What is the chance of hugging a weapon as you shoot yourself 2 times and No soot of PGSR getting on your hands or even our clothing directly near the vents and ejection port. 

The answer is not a realistic chance but hey when did you ever try to be objective....
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