The main prosecution forensic case

[Caroline]

Depends on what kind of lampshade it was.  Most don't hang that far past the bulb but there are some really long ones. It it wasn't a long one when you factor in that table was below it so no one could travel directly under and that they broke if from the side so with the gun at an angle...

The killer would have had the gun like this as Nevill tried to take it away.  The gun would thus spin around and be pulled back and forth. You can see how much height is added by the moderator.



 

Like I said, it may have been broken deliberately and not as a result of a fight.

[Patti]

I can't fathom what would being flying around that high up. I doubt the gun was only down low bashing against the aga mantle and knocking things over. At some point the barrel had to be facing up instead of down and hit the lampshade. If it were over the sink like you said originally I thought maybe Jeremy could have hit his head on it while climbing out the window but we are back to the gun breaking it.

When I was young we had a stained glass lampshade above a table in our den and my brother went on the table to dance around and broke it with with his head.  Nothing happened to his head but a big chunk was taken out of the light.  When my mother saw it she flipped out and he blamed me but she didn't believe him because he was always very bad and always lying.  He used to flush stuff down the toilet just to see what could flush without getting stuck.  I recall a rubber squeaky Pinocchio that he wedged in there so tight it took hours to get it out and we only had one bathroom at the time, our next house had 3. Oddly enough he became a plumber.

LOL............

I don't know how it got broke.  The rifle being the most logical, but what about the butt end flying off and hitting the shade? Maybe someone threw a bowl? I doubt it could have been a case shell. 

[guest2181]

Depends on what kind of lampshade it was.  Most don't hang that far past the bulb but there are some really long ones. It it wasn't a long one when you factor in that table was below it so no one could travel directly under and that they broke if from the side so with the gun at an angle...

The killer would have had the gun like this as Nevill tried to take it away.  The gun would thus spin around and be pulled back and forth. You can see how much height is added by the moderator.



 

The light is between the table and the glass cabinet,  rather than above the table.

I'm not arguing that the moderator wasn't fitted when it broke the light, how would I know. I just don't believe it 'had' to have been fitted.

The broken light doesn't support the moderator being attached, or not. Not for me anyway.

[scipio_usmc]

The light is between the table and the glass cabinet,  rather than above the table.

I'm not arguing that the moderator wasn't fitted when it broke the light, how would I know. I just don't believe it 'had' to have been fitted.

The broken light doesn't support the moderator being attached, or not. Not for me anyway.

This gives an idea of the height without the moderator. Having been trained to fight with a rifle and knowing what a struggle over a rifle would entail, unless the light shade hung down rather low I can't 
see it being broken without the moderator attached.  It is also easy to see how it would knock more things off table and shelves with the added length the moderator gives.

[Patti]

I don't know why but that rifle in that photo looks a lot larger than the one Boyce used in the tests in the New Evidence video....Any ideas where that photo has come from...I know its in the archives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeLsEeE0zTI

[Patti]

Depends on what kind of lampshade it was.  Most don't hang that far past the bulb but there are some really long ones. It it wasn't a long one when you factor in that table was below it so no one could travel directly under and that they broke if from the side so with the gun at an angle...

The killer would have had the gun like this as Nevill tried to take it away.  The gun would thus spin around and be pulled back and forth. You can see how much height is added by the moderator.



 

Here is a clip from the vid. 

[Patti]

I don't think its the same rifle is it?

[scipio_usmc]

I don't think its the same rifle is it?

They are different variations of the same gun the main difference is the iron sight.

[Caroline]

So again, the fight in the kitchen could have been STAGED, light broken, dishes thrown on the floor, chairs toppled. I think quite a lot of the CS was staged!!

[scipio_usmc]

So again, the fight in the kitchen could have been STAGED, light broken, dishes thrown on the floor, chairs toppled. I think quite a lot of the CS was staged!!

The raid team staged it as soon as they went in?

[Mr. Gee]

Sheila wearing socks during the commission of the murders would potentially have enabled her to have done so without getting sugar on her feet and cutting her feet. Of course the sugar should have been on her socks then and perhaps some glass fragments stuck to her socks.

Hahahaha. What a ridiculous bit of supposed reasoning is that? As if Bamber could have had that kind of foresight. Your "reasonings" get more absurd by the day.

[Adam]

Socks, June moving to Neville's side of the bed & back again, moved chairs, smashed lights.

It is good that there is discussion about aspects of the case that in no way highlight guilt or innocence for either person. For people to still post and argue that Jeremy is innocent would be wrong.

[lookout]

The raid team staged it as soon as they went in?

If there'd been any disarray of crockery,chairs and spillages,then it would have been done by the raid team when they'd have stormed in like a bull in a china shop.

[Caroline]

The raid team staged it as soon as they went in?

Not the raid team!

[Caroline]

If there'd been any disarray of crockery,chairs and spillages,then it would have been done by the raid team when they'd have stormed in like a bull in a china shop.

The disarray happened before they entered WHF.