The main prosecution forensic case

[scipio_usmc]

I've just found these two old posts of mine. It seems that we thought it was the one closest to the sink.

But then found out that it was the other one, furthest from the sink. The one shown in the photograph above.

Clear as mud?  :D

You suck now I have to read one of her long ass statements again. 

[guest2181]

You suck now I have to read one of her long ass statements again. 

 

I'll have a quick scan to see if I can locate the page.

[scipio_usmc]

I'll have a quick scan to see if I can locate the page.

So far the only thing noteworthy is about the sugar. The rumor she heard was the cops cleaning the place up before he keys were turned over the the family were the ones who spilled the sugar.  Nothing about the raid team doing it.

[Patti]

It looks to me light it has a clear glass shade. Something seems to be around it.

Like Hartley says the photograph was taken many years later.  I don't think it has a shade around it, its just a shadow I think.   

[guest2181]

[Patti]

So far the only thing noteworthy is about the sugar. The rumor she heard was the cops cleaning the place up before he keys were turned over the the family were the ones who spilled the sugar.  Nothing about the raid team doing it.

I get the gist that is what she was saying.  If that is the case and the sugar was not on the floor then Woodcock was not telling the truth about the sugar.  Nothing gets past AE....

[scipio_usmc]

Thanks I stand corrected there is a statement on this site that describes the location. 

Given the height of the light I still think it highly unlikely it could be reached without the moderator attached to the gun.

[Patti]

It was Ann herself that asked if Sheila had sugar on her feet.  She states she found out later that

[Patti]

Thanks I stand corrected there is a statement on this site that describes the location. 

Given the height of the light I still think it highly unlikely it could be reached without the moderator attached to the gun.

It might have been broken by something that was thrown and not the rifle at all...we just don't know.  I can't make out what colour the lamp shade was I assume it was white.

[scipio_usmc]

I get the gist that is what she was saying.  If that is the case and the sugar was not on the floor then Woodcock was not telling the truth about the sugar.  Nothing gets past AE....

Sugar was all over the floor when she saw the place she had to clean it up. That was why she asked if Sheila had sugar on her feet.  Someone either told her the false claim that the people cleaning up the house spilled it or she misunderstood somehow and misconstrued what they said as meaning that. She also was either misinformed or misunderstood about Sheila and June being in the master bedroom.  What she witnessed herself is one thing.  What she was told is another.   

[Caroline]

It was Ann herself that asked if Sheila had sugar on her feet.  She states she found out later that

AE was told something by someone else - we don't even know who and yet Woodcock himself is saying the sugar was on the floor when he entered WHF. Why should AE's claims be taken over and officer who states saw it for himself? This is the same as Sheila's body being reported as being found 'on the left side of bed'. AE was told  this by 'someone' - I think AE, just got it wrong.

[guest2181]

Thanks I stand corrected there is a statement on this site that describes the location. 

Given the height of the light I still think it highly unlikely it could be reached without the moderator attached to the gun.

Hmmm well maybe, but I'm not convinced.

Assuming the light was similar to what it is today, and as per the photograph Patti posted earlier in this thread. What height would you say the light is above the floor?

Bearing in mind the internal doors are a smidgen under 2m (6'6" to you) in height.

Then how high do you think the light would need to be for It to be too high to be damaged with the rifle unless the moderator was fitted?

Is jumping allowed?

[Caroline]

The light may not have been broken in a fight, some of the disarray might have been deliberately staged?

[scipio_usmc]

It might have been broken by something that was thrown and not the rifle at all...we just don't know.  I can't make out what colour the lamp shade was I assume it was white.

I can't fathom what would being flying around that high up. I doubt the gun was only down low bashing against the aga mantle and knocking things over. At some point the barrel had to be facing up instead of down and hit the lampshade. If it were over the sink like you said originally I thought maybe Jeremy could have hit his head on it while climbing out the window but we are back to the gun breaking it.

When I was young we had a stained glass lampshade above a table in our den and my brother went on the table to dance around and broke it with with his head.  Nothing happened to his head but a big chunk was taken out of the light.  When my mother saw it she flipped out and he blamed me but she didn't believe him because he was always very bad and always lying.  He used to flush stuff down the toilet just to see what could flush without getting stuck.  I recall a rubber squeaky Pinocchio that he wedged in there so tight it took hours to get it out and we only had one bathroom at the time, our next house had 3. Oddly enough he became a plumber.

[scipio_usmc]

Hmmm well maybe, but I'm not convinced.

Assuming the light was similar to what it is today, and as per the photograph Patti posted earlier in this thread. What height would you say the light is above the floor?

Bearing in mind the internal doors are a smidgen under 2m (6'6" to you) in height.

Then how high do you think the light would need to be for It to be too high to be damaged with the rifle unless the moderator was fitted?

Is jumping allowed?

Depends on what kind of lampshade it was.  Most don't hang that far past the bulb but there are some really long ones. It it wasn't a long one when you factor in that table was below it so no one could travel directly under and that they broke if from the side so with the gun at an angle...

The killer would have had the gun like this as Nevill tried to take it away.  The gun would thus spin around and be pulled back and forth. You can see how much height is added by the moderator.