The main prosecution forensic case

[guest2181]

Thanks Hartley.  Just waded through that myself to find it, but you beat me to it. 

I forget exactly now, but I think you may have seen the light (s) on one of the documentaries which alerted you to the fact that there were two.

That was the catalyst for our discussion about which of the them was broken.

[scipio_usmc]

So then we all naturally assume that a light is in the center of a room ceiling, but in this case there were two...I'm not sure which one was smashed...I seem to think it was the one above the sink, but cannot remember where I got that from.  I must have read it somewhere! Is the Dickinson report trustworthy? I'd like a more direct source if there is one. 

It is more reliable for some things than others.  In terms of times it is off because it decided to just estimate or select times of one person over another and it includes some claims which are just rumor.  I would assume that it would get a simple detail of where the light is located to be correct. 

No statements on this site discuss the location of the kitchen light, Eaton's statement just says Jeremy asked her if police figured out how it was broken. He was interested in that but didn't ask about the locations of the bodies. That made her suspicious because if you already knew from killing them would you not be curious of where everyone was.

[scipio_usmc]

There are two light fixtures evenly spaced.

I think Patti and I concluded that it was the one closest to the sink that was broken, although it is not 'over' the sink. It could be described as being in the centre of the area which was not occupied by the dining table.

The Dickinson Report has just worded it incorrectly, that is my assumption anyway.

Are they the same height and design or different lights? How did you decide which was broken?

[guest2181]

Are they the same height and design or different lights? How did you decide which was broken?

Well the lights are the same now.
I can only assume that they were also 30 years ago.

I forget how we concluded which was broken, I'll have a dig around. I do remember that we were pretty sure with our conclusions though.

[Patti]

Here is one of them...no light shade on this one and it does look like its in the center of the room.  There is another one, but Its not in the archives...I know I have seen one that looks like its nearer the sink....

[guest154]

They did indeed say that they moved two stools so that they could get through. No one (however) states they knocked over the sugar; in fact Woodcock states he saw the sugar when he entered the kitchen after breaking down the door.

Thanks for all the quotes, Caroline - that's extensive work. I will save it for the next time the sugar is brought up. 

[guest2181]

Here is one of them...no light shade on this one and it does look like its in the center of the room.  There is another one, but Its not in the archives...I know I have seen one that looks like its nearer the sink....

It's not in the centre, there is another above the photographers head.

[guest154]

Hartley, the light seems really high - as if it's a very high ceiling. Is the other light as high? Was the shade a low hanging one?

[guest2181]

Hartley, the light seems really high - as if it's a very high ceiling. Is the other light as high? Was the shade a low hanging one?

The two light fittings are the same.

Although, what shades were on them at the time of the murders, I know not.

Yes the ceilings are high in that part of the house.

Also that photograph was taken many years after the murders.

[guest2181]

There are two pendant light fittings, one is roughly opposite the door to the spiral stairs and the other is closer to the kitchen sink. It was the one closest to the sink that was damaged (I think ).

A correction to the above. It was the light furthest from the sink which was broken (this is noted in Ann's COLP statement).

I've just found these two old posts of mine. It seems that we thought it was the one closest to the sink.

But then found out that it was the other one, furthest from the sink. The one shown in the photograph above.

Clear as mud?  :D

[Patti]

It's not in the centre, there is another above the photographers head.

Which is nearer the sink?

[guest2181]

Which is nearer the sink?

Yes, the sink is directly behind the photographers position.

[Patti]

I've just found these two old posts of mine. It seems that we thought it was the one closest to the sink.

But then found out that it was the other one, furthest from the sink. The one shown in the photograph above.

Clear as mud?  :D

Aww I must have missed your post on the 15th......It makes more sense it was that one because there is no glass near the mat which is in front on the sink...Well that's cleared that one up then. 

[scipio_usmc]

Here is one of them...no light shade on this one and it does look like its in the center of the room.  There is another one, but Its not in the archives...I know I have seen one that looks like its nearer the sink....

It looks to me light it has a clear glass shade. Something seems to be around it.

[guest154]

It looks to me light it has a clear glass shade. Something seems to be around it.

I thought that, but then I thought it was just the lighting of the photo because there seems to be no shadow for a frame on the wall.

I am having a hard time accepting Sheila with the gun in hand, even in the air, being how the shade was smashed.