The main prosecution forensic case

[maggie]

I know.But it is evidence that is at odds with Scipio's supposedly factual scenario. That is the only point that I was trying to make.

And a point worth making Tyler.
Cannot help but wonder why she was at that side of the bed, did the shooter enter the bedroom through the door on Nevill's side of the bed at some point?

[guest154]

No,the raid team may not have done,but Cook most certainly did. If my copy and pasting actually works (I am crap at it) you will see in Cook's statement that it is not just a 'rumour' that I and other Jeremy 'supporter's persist with'.

     http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,462.msg6915.html#msg6915

No, Cook didn't. Pretty clear he is saying he heard the firearms had been the ones who knocked over the brown sugar.

[tyler]

No, Cook didn't. Pretty clear he is saying he heard the firearms had been the ones who knocked over the brown sugar.

Not a rumour made up by so called Jeremy 'supporters' though is it. It came from a top Detective who was heavily involved in the case.

[guest154]

Not a rumour made up by so called Jeremy 'supporters' though is it. It came from a top Detective who was heavily involved in the case.

And was addressed in the appeal document.  Scip didn't say you or any supporter made it up. He said it's a rumour you persist with, which evidently it is.

[scipio_usmc]

And a point worth making Tyler.
Cannot help but wonder why she was at that side of the bed, did the shooter enter the bedroom through the door on Nevill's side of the bed at some point?

If the shooter were firing from Nevill's side of the bed she would run out the door not around the bed to where the shooter was.   

The only thing that makes any sense is for her to have gone to Nevill's side of the bed after the killer was out of the room or at least in the doorway so that she would have both the ability to pass by the foot of the bed and a reason to run to the other side. 

 

[scipio_usmc]

Not a rumour made up by so called Jeremy 'supporters' though is it. It came from a top Detective who was heavily involved in the case.

It doesn't matter who came up with the rumor.  The issue is that Cook and the others who spread such rumor were NOT on the scene until after 9 so clearly were not part of the raid team and thus can't speak to what the raid team did.  that is why it constituted hearsay according the the Court of Appeals.

Who is trying to use this rumor to their advantage?  Jeremy's legal team made a failed attempt to use it and Jeremy supporters such as yourself don't care that it has been rejected already by the Courts but still try to use it.

 

[susan]

Scipio what kind of police officers spread rumours it is a disgrace as far as I am concerned especially when people like me believe them

[Alias]

So no one puts credence into what RW Cook says? Well, I am free to do so no matter what others say.

[susan]

Alias I agree with you think naughty Scipio is trying to confuse me

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio what kind of police officers spread rumours it is a disgrace as far as I am concerned especially when people like me believe them

People of all types spread rumors. They hear something and then think it is true and spread it.  The Court noted that Cook and other crime scene personnel didn't realize there was a struggle in the kitchen.  That makes you wonder how good they are at reading crime scenes since the raid personnel realized it right away. The Court of Appeals noted that since Cook was one of those who denied there was a struggle in the kitchen he had to try defending his position by explaining away the various signs that there was a struggle and one way he attempted to do that was to claim the damage was caused by the raid team.  He was trying to save face by saying they caused the damage and he was right about there being no struggle.  The wounds on Nevill and other things supported the raid team which also saw a problem with Sheila being too clean to have committed the murder.  That's the ultimate kick in the teeth.  The "grunts" saw various problems right away while the crime scene experts who are are supposed to be so good at reading evidence botched it.  That's pretty damn embarrassing.  It is also potential motivation for the crime scene officer to stage things to blame Sheila as opposed to Jeremy.

[Caroline]

People of all types spread rumors. They hear something and then think it is true and spread it.  The Court noted that Cook and other crime scene personnel didn't realize there was a struggle in the kitchen.  That makes you wonder how good they are at reading crime scenes since the raid personnel realized it right away. The Court of Appeals noted that since Cook was one of those who denied there was a struggle in the kitchen he had to try defending his position by explaining away the various signs that there was a struggle and one way he attempted to do that was to claim the damage was caused by the raid team.  He was trying to save face by saying they caused the damage and he was right about there being no struggle.  The wounds on Nevill and other things supported the raid team which also saw a problem with Sheila being too clean to have committed the murder.  That's the ultimate kick in the teeth.  The "grunts" saw various problems right away while the crime scene experts who are are supposed to be so good at reading evidence botched it.  That's pretty damn embarrassing.  It is also potential motivation for the crime scene officer to stage things to blame Sheila as opposed to Jeremy.

If there is 'potential' for one, there is potential for the other.

[susan]

Scipio thanks for explaining that it is so damn embarrassing I don 't know how they got away with it just goes to show one has to be so careful what they believe and I for one will look at things more carefully before I draw conclusions.

[scipio_usmc]

If there is 'potential' for one, there is potential for the other.

Potential for crime scene officers who were accused of misreading the scene to plant evidence that would  establish they were indeed wrong and thus deposit even more egg on their faces?

That is like saying I would try to manufacture evidence to prove I am wrong about something.  Why on Earth would I do that?  Someone manufacturers evidence to pretend they were right not to help establish they were wrong.

[susan]

Scipio that makes sense to me.

[Patti]

So no one puts credence into what RW Cook says? Well, I am free to do so no matter what others say.

I do Alias.  Its easy to say what the rumor might be, but Cook did say that he learnt latter that the raid team had moved the chairs and knocked the sugar over.  One of the raid team members confirm this is one of their statements. Also AE confirms this in her 1901 COLP statement.

I have always said that the only struggle that could have occurred would have been a minor one, you can tell that with the blood stains on the floor...there was no ferocious struggle in the kitchen at all in my opinion...NB would not have been able to fought back in the way it is sometimes expressed by others.

If you look at the floor near the sink there is no scuff marks or smeared blood to confirm a fight took place....