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« Reply #540 on: March 01, 2015, 07:31:PM »
Scipio how do we know the socks belonged to Sheila maybe they belonged to Ralph and he left them on the floor before going to bed.

We don't know who they belonged to.  We don't know if they were moved and placed right next to her body or they had been there all along.  One would expect her to have fallen on top of them though had they been there, the exact positioning looks staged.  Jeremy could have staged them so close to her for implication she had taken them off before killing herself.  We have no way to know what he was thinking when he staged the bible and could have had the socks in mind as well.  Since they had no sugar or glass and the blood on them got there from passive drips it doesn't support Sheila wearing them as she killed anyone so the prosecution and defense seems to have largely ignored them at trial beyond mentioning they were there and had June's blood.  No wider implication was suggested.
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« Reply #541 on: March 01, 2015, 07:33:PM »
I agree too. But having June's blood upon them didnt correspond to Scipios version of events,as he wont have it that June was ever around Nevilles side of the bed. Even though a blood pattern expert who has seen more photographs than we have,says that the evidence shows that she was.

Are you saying June was shot in bed. Got out of bed. Went round to Neville's side of the bed, then back around to her side, where she collapsed ?

Why would she do that ?
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« Reply #542 on: March 01, 2015, 07:34:PM »
Why,when it was the raid team that knocked over the bowl of sugar? And why necessarily glass fragments? None were reported as being on Nevill's feet,nor any cuts from glass and we know for definate that he had bare feet.

The raid team didn't know the sugar over it was already on the floor according to the raid team. The glass and sugar were where the killer had to be standing to kill Nevill and leave the kitchen. Nevill's location where he was beaten doesn't mean he would have been walking through it.
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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #543 on: March 01, 2015, 07:39:PM »
Scipio why would Jeremy want to stage a scene in which Sheila removed her socks before killing herself.  None of it makes sense to me :'(  Help Adam :)

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« Reply #544 on: March 01, 2015, 07:42:PM »
Scipio why would Jeremy want to stage a scene in which Sheila removed her socks before killing herself.  None of it makes sense to me :'(  Help Adam :)

I can't see either why Sheila would remove her socks. Or why Jeremy would put them there.

The socks are not really an issue to me. Unless they had sugar and glass on.
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« Reply #545 on: March 01, 2015, 07:44:PM »
Adam thank you I am in agreement with you :)

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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #546 on: March 01, 2015, 07:46:PM »
Are you saying June was shot in bed. Got out of bed. Went round to Neville's side of the bed, then back around to her side, where she collapsed ?

Why would she do that ?
No,Professor MacDonnell,a blood pattern expert who has had access to all of the photographs has concluded that. There are many reasons why June may have done that,I posted some earlier. Maybe you could use your own imagination? I know you have one.

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« Reply #547 on: March 01, 2015, 07:52:PM »
The raid team didn't know the sugar over it was already on the floor according to the raid team. The glass and sugar were where the killer had to be standing to kill Nevill and leave the kitchen. Nevill's location where he was beaten doesn't mean he would have been walking through it.
The raid team admitted to having knocked the bowl of sugar off the table. And the spilt sugar was confined to an area under the table. So I cannot see why anyone would have had to have tread in any sugar. And you cannot know in what location that Nevill was beaten.

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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #548 on: March 01, 2015, 07:53:PM »
I agree too. But having June's blood upon them didnt correspond to Scipios version of events,as he wont have it that June was ever around Nevilles side of the bed. Even though a blood pattern expert who has seen more photographs than we have,says that the evidence shows that she was.

The socks could have been by her side of the bed, got blood on them as she got up and then they were planted.  Rugs in contrast can't move (except the little mats) which is why I care about the location of the 2 carpet samples taken and whether there was blood at the foot of the bed because if she walked around the bed and back that means the foot should have blood from coming and going.

What Harters posted suggests there are photos of blood at the foot of the bed in addition to blood on Nevill's side. 

As I said the only way she could walk around would be after the killer already left the room.  She would have to have a reason for doing so before going back and collapsing.  Going to use the phone Jeremy removed would be one possible reason another would be to check out Nevill if he hadn't left the room yet. Walking around the bed and then quickly turning around and walking to the door but collapsing before getting out doesn't have much significance other than reinforcing Harter's suspicions that June was shot between the eyes after the kitchen instead of before the kitchen incident.  It is hard to fathom the killer shooting her and Nevill from the foot of the bed,  then her getting up and walking past the killer then turing around and running after the killer while the gun was still loaded but collapsing at the door and the killer then being able to put a bullet between her eyes and then finally going to the kitchen.   Shooting her between the eyes to make sure she was dead after the kitchen makes much more sense than before the kitchen unless she rolled out of bed and was shot between the eyes there near the door, then by some miracle after the killer left still managed to get up, walk to the other side and then in an amazing coincidence she collapsed right by the door not that far from where she rolled out of bed.    Far more likely though would be after the killer left she ran to the other side to use the phone or check on Nevill or the dog and then quickly turned around and headed for the door but collapsed before getting out and the killer shot her between the eyes upon returning from the kitchen.

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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #549 on: March 01, 2015, 07:54:PM »
The raid team admitted to having knocked the bowl of sugar off the table. And the spilt sugar was confined to an area under the table. So I cannot see why anyone would have had to have tread in any sugar. And you cannot know in what location that Nevill was beaten.

The raid team didn't admit to knocking the sugar over.  This is one of the rumors of the case you and other Jeremy supports persist with.  The appeal court decision makes clear the source of this claim was not the raid team but rather hearsay from people not present when the raid team entered. 
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« Reply #550 on: March 01, 2015, 08:02:PM »
No,Professor MacDonnell,a blood pattern expert who has had access to all of the photographs has concluded that. There are many reasons why June may have done that,I posted some earlier. Maybe you could use your own imagination? I know you have one.

Socks, June's alleged mini walk about. Neither benefits Jeremy or Sheila.
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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #551 on: March 01, 2015, 08:05:PM »
Socks, June's alleged mini walk about. Neither benefits Jeremy or Sheila.

But they are parts of the bigger picture. Every little detail is significant in a crime scene.

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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #552 on: March 01, 2015, 08:10:PM »
Socks, June's alleged mini walk about. Neither benefits Jeremy or Sheila.
I know.But it is evidence that is at odds with Scipio's supposedly factual scenario. That is the only point that I was trying to make.

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« Reply #553 on: March 01, 2015, 08:18:PM »
The raid team didn't admit to knocking the sugar over.  This is one of the rumors of the case you and other Jeremy supports persist with.  The appeal court decision makes clear the source of this claim was not the raid team but rather hearsay from people not present when the raid team entered.
No,the raid team may not have done,but Cook most certainly did. If my copy and pasting actually works (I am crap at it) you will see in Cook's statement that it is not just a 'rumour' that I and other Jeremy 'supporter's persist with'.

     http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,462.msg6915.html#msg6915

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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #554 on: March 01, 2015, 08:20:PM »
No,Professor MacDonnell,a blood pattern expert who has had access to all of the photographs has concluded that. There are many reasons why June may have done that,I posted some earlier. Maybe you could use your own imagination? I know you have one.

Thanks Tyler. I never knew of this and it actually vindicates part of my theory of events