The main prosecution forensic case

[lookout]

You don't post nothing though.  You post ridiculous speculation to try to defend Jeremy that demonstrates you are little more than an apologist while most of the time you deny same and claim to be looking at things objectively.  Every single Jeremy supporter is making wild speculations about evidence being planted and people lying in order to support their preferred belief that Jeremy is innocent though you have nothing at all to disturb the evidence.

June surviving for an extra minute doesn't change that she was on the floor already by the time the killer returned from the kitchen.  That is if there is blood all the way around the bed which I still have not seen anyone demonstrate exactly where the 2 carpet samples came from.



WHat have you shown me to be wrong about that is significant?

Hey,isn't anyone allowed to criticise your posts in return for your own criticisms and put-downs ?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander !

[scipio_usmc]

For what it's worth, the blood on the side of the bed where Sheila's body was located, is referenced in Mcdonnells letter.

I suspect that is the source of the information.

jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,264.0.html

Thanks apparently he was only shown photos and not even he was shown any reports of the actual blood testing of any drops so we still don't know the location of the 2 samples.  It does say he was shown photos of the drops going all the way around the bed including the foot.

It also notes the bible was placed in the blood after the blood was already there.  That explains in part why he said she was murdered. 

[Caroline]

Thanks apparently he was only shown photos and not even he was shown any reports of the actual blood testing of any drops so we still don't know the location of the 2 samples.  It does say he was shown photos of the drops going all the way around the bed including the foot.

It also notes the bible was placed in the blood after the blood was already there.  That explains in part why he said she was murdered.

He suggests ( as has been argued) that it is likely she put her right hand to the throat - this is consistent with the autopsy notes - which stated that her right hand was blood stained and was likely responsible for the print on her night dress. I don't understand why this changed in the written statement to indicate no blood on her hands.

[Mr. Gee]

You don't post nothing though.  You post ridiculous speculation to try to defend Jeremy that demonstrates you are little more than an apologist while most of the time you deny same and claim to be looking at things objectively.  Every single Jeremy supporter is making wild speculations about evidence being planted and people lying in order to support their preferred belief that Jeremy is innocent though you have nothing at all to disturb the evidence.

June surviving for an extra minute doesn't change that she was on the floor already by the time the killer returned from the kitchen.  That is if there is blood all the way around the bed which I still have not seen anyone demonstrate exactly where the 2 carpet samples came from.



WHat have you shown me to be wrong about that is significant?

How more ridiculous suggestion can you get by saying that Jeremy placed a pair of blood stained mens socks by Sheila's body to give the impression that sheila had worn socks? You suggested that for one reason only and that is because it fits into your scenario instead of admitting like a man that your scenario is wrong.

[nugnug]

what diffrence would it make weather she wore socks or not.

[Jane]

what diffrence would it make weather she wore socks or not.

It may be no more than that the socks were simply THERE

[scipio_usmc]

what diffrence would it make weather she wore socks or not.

Sheila wearing socks during the commission of the murders would potentially have enabled her to have done so without getting sugar on her feet and cutting her feet. Of course the sugar should have been on her socks then and perhaps some glass fragments stuck to her socks.

[tyler]

Sheila wearing socks during the commission of the murders would potentially have enabled her to have done so without getting sugar on her feet and cutting her feet. Of course the sugar should have been on her socks then and perhaps some glass fragments stuck to her socks.

Why,when it was the raid team that knocked over the bowl of sugar? And why necessarily glass fragments? None were reported as being on Nevill's feet,nor any cuts from glass and we know for definate that he had bare feet.

[Jane]

Sheila wearing socks during the commission of the murders would potentially have enabled her to have done so without getting sugar on her feet and cutting her feet. Of course the sugar should have been on her socks then and perhaps some glass fragments stuck to her socks.

But unless sugar was spilled and glass broken prior to whatever altercation occurred I don't think it likely that proceedings would have been halted to allow her time to don socks

[susan]

Scipio how do we know the socks belonged to Sheila maybe they belonged to Ralph and he left them on the floor before going to bed.

[Alias]

Scipio how do we know the socks belonged to Sheila maybe they belonged to Ralph and he left them on the floor before going to bed.

That is the most likely explanation for the socks.

[scipio_usmc]

He suggests ( as has been argued) that it is likely she put her right hand to the throat - this is consistent with the autopsy notes - which stated that her right hand was blood stained and was likely responsible for the print on her night dress. I don't understand why this changed in the written statement to indicate no blood on her hands.

It wasn't changed.  The statement notes the blood on the outside of her palm which was transferred to her gown. It says there was no blood INSIDE her hand or on her fingers.  The police said the same thing no blood onside her hands or on her fingers.

Hold your hand like you are going to do a karate chop, pretend you have a wound to your neck and try to plug it with a bottom of your hand (the part in between your wrist and bottom outside of your pinky).  That is where the blood was the bottom wrist and outside of the hand.  The blood then dripped down from the wrist towards the elbow.

[tyler]

That is the most likely explanation for the socks.

I agree too. But having June's blood upon them didnt correspond to Scipios version of events,as he wont have it that June was ever around Nevilles side of the bed. Even though a blood pattern expert who has seen more photographs than we have,says that the evidence shows that she was.

[Alias]

I agree too. But having June's blood upon them didnt correspond to Scipios version of events,as he wont have it that June was ever around Nevilles side of the bed. Even though a blood pattern expert who has seen more photographs than we have,says that the evidence shows that she was.

I know. 

[susan]

Alias I think they were Ralph's socks men are likely to leave their socks on the floor at the side of the bed.