The main prosecution forensic case

[Alias]

There's also June's blood outside Sheila's bedroom..

I never heard of that before.

[Mr. Gee]

There's also June's blood outside Sheila's bedroom..

Now that, if true completely changes scipio's scenario. See how little details can be important?

[David1819]

There's also June's blood outside Sheila's bedroom..

Any evidence?

To my knowledge Shelia's room was right opposite the master bedroom and Junes body was by the door in the master bedroom so there could be several explanations for it

[scipio_usmc]

There's also June's blood outside Sheila's bedroom..

June's blood was found on the socks and 2 carpet samples in the bedroom.  Where precisely the carpet samples were taken hasn't been clearly established.   

[Mr. Gee]

June's blood was found on the socks and 2 carpet samples in the bedroom.  Where precisely the carpet samples were taken hasn't been clearly established.

The socks were on Sheila's side of the bed.

[scipio_usmc]

The socks were on Sheila's side of the bed.

I know I saw the photos. They were dropped right next to her body to try to suggest she wore socks and thus explain away her clean feet.

Nothing publicly released details where the carpet samples were though.  The defense documents detail 5 drops tested from each carpet sample not where the carpet samples were in the room.

[David1819]

I know I saw the photos. They were dropped right next to her body to try to suggest she wore socks and thus explain away her clean feet.

Nothing publicly released details where the carpet samples were though.  The defense documents detail 5 drops tested from each carpet sample not where the carpet samples were in the room.

Her feet where not clean as photos illustrate. There seems to be blood splatter on the socks indicating they where not placed there.

How do we know they are not June or Neville's socks that they just took off before bed?

[scipio_usmc]

Her feet where not clean as photos illustrate. There seems to be blood splatter on the socks indicating they where not placed there.

How do we know they are not June or Neville's socks that they just took off before bed?

The photos show her feet to be clean and those who saw her body said they were very clean and free of blood or cuts.

It's not blood spatter it passive blood drops.  Spatter is projected by force. A passive drop is the result of blood being dripped somewhere intentionally or unintentionally. Could the socks have been on the other side of the bed and intentionally staged later?  Yes.

Could the Loose carpet pieces have been staged?  Yes, no one has ever explained what those patches were for let alone where they normally were kept.   

Nor has anyone yet explained where the 2 carpet samples with June's blood that were cut out came from.

[tyler]

Carpet samples were taken from Master bedroom around area where Sheila's body was found and the blood tested was found to be June's. McDonnell was obviously aware of this as his report suggested that at some stage June had made her way around the bed to Nevill's side and then back again. Due to this,I for one,am happy to believe that scenario as opposed to June getting out of bed and collapsing where she was found. And I would like to see a source as to whose blood was found on the socks that lay by Sheila as I have never seen anything pertaining to the fact they were ever even tested,let alone whose blood was found to be on them.

[scipio_usmc]

Carpet samples were taken from Master bedroom around area where Sheila's body was found and the blood tested was found to be June's. McDonnell was obviously aware of this as his report suggested that at some stage June had made her way around the bed to Nevill's side and then back again. Due to this,I for one,am happy to believe that scenario as opposed to June getting out of bed and collapsing where she was found. And I would like to see a source as to whose blood was found on the socks that lay by Sheila as I have never seen anything pertaining to the fact they were ever even tested,let alone whose blood was found to be on them.

1) The killer would have to have been by the door shooting to permit June to walk all the way around the bed.  If she moved to get up on Nevill's side then her blood could get there as she stood up.  Finding her blood just on Nevill's side but not dripping along the foot of the bed too that side would have to mean she went across the bed. But for the killer to shoot her right side in the manner it was done the killer need to be at the foot of the bed or on Nevill's side of the bed. Her left side was exposed to the door not her right side. To stay in bed until the killer and Nevill are gone, then get up and walk to Nevill's side and then to walk back to her side and collapse makes no sense at all.  The only way it would make sense to go to Nevill's side would be if he were injured there, the killer split to go reload and and she wanted to see how Nevill was then he took off after the killer and she tried to follow or go check on the boys of Sheila but she collapsed before she could make it out the door. 

2) Hayward's testimony was that the socks and 2 rug samples had the AK2-1 enzyme present in the blood stains and only June had such enzyme so it must have been her blood.   The socks look like men's socks to me but some women wear men's socks so who knows whether they belonged to her or Nevill.

 



 

 

[Adam]

Carpet samples were taken from Master bedroom around area where Sheila's body was found and the blood tested was found to be June's. McDonnell was obviously aware of this as his report suggested that at some stage June had made her way around the bed to Nevill's side and then back again. Due to this,I for one,am happy to believe that scenario as opposed to June getting out of bed and collapsing where she was found. And I would like to see a source as to whose blood was found on the socks that lay by Sheila as I have never seen anything pertaining to the fact they were ever even tested,let alone whose blood was found to be on them.

Tyler, I hope you have seen my 'uncomfortable question' and '26th February deadline' threads.

Feel free to describe in point by point detail how Sheila committed the massacre. You have said you believe Jeremy may be innocent.

The response was very disappointing. Only one poster submitted and then re submitted a summary. Even Jan declined. Automatically resulting in Jeremy losing virtually all his supporters in a 24 hour period.

[Jan]

Tyler, I hope you have seen my 'uncomfortable question' and '26th February deadline' threads.

Feel free to describe in point by point detail how Sheila committed the massacre. You have said you believe Jeremy may be innocent.

The response was very disappointing. Only one poster submitted and then re submitted a summary. Even Jan declined. Automatically resulting in Jeremy losing virtually all his supporters in a 24 hour period.

Stop using my name in vain. I have posted a "scenario" before . I am not doing it again as nothing has changed.

They are scenarios - nothing more nothing less . And you still have not explained the main part of yours of how JB got SC to lie in a perfect position to be shot without even holding her hand up to defend herself

[Adam]

Stop using my name in vain. I have posted a "scenario" before . I am not doing it again as nothing has changed.

They are scenarios - nothing more nothing less . And you still have not explained the main part of yours of how JB got SC to lie in a perfect position to be shot without even holding her hand up to defend herself

Only Alias and David have posted scenarios. David re submitting after an Adam/Scipio massacre. Then promptly being massacred again.

I have repeatedly posted and created threads on Sheila's two shots.

[Mr. Gee]

I know I saw the photos. They were dropped right next to her body to try to suggest she wore socks and thus explain away her clean feet.

Nothing publicly released details where the carpet samples were though.  The defense documents detail 5 drops tested from each carpet sample not where the carpet samples were in the room.

It was never suggested that she wore socks at the time of the trial neither did the police suggest she did. That idea was first suggested on this forum many years after the event. If Jeremy wanted to make people think she ware socks he would have put them on her instead of by the bed.

[lookout]

I've KNOWN that June's blood had been in more than one place,for MONTHS ! As far as I'm concerned,my own personal " theories " are something that I've refused to print,and still refuse to do so.