The main prosecution forensic case

[Alias]

You don't believe there was a moon. Source please.

Actually, after shooting and killing Neville and June in bed, he would put a light on to reload. Things didn't quite work like that.

You can easily find that out yourself.

[Jan]

You don't believe there was a moon. Source please.

Actually, after shooting and killing Neville and June in bed, he would put a light on to reload. Things didn't quite work like that.

theres always a moon

[lookout]

I don't recall reading anything about June suffering a breakdown close to the murders. I would have thought that if her health had given so much cause for concern that either the housekeeper or Barbara Willson would have noticed it and mentioned it, however I will allow that as she was probably highly strung she may have been on something to reduce anxiety. I wonder where on earth an author, long after the event, would get such information.

Because of June's health having been delicate,Neville was caught up in where his allegiance lay,as he'd always supported Sheila,but this time,it had been concern for June and I don't doubt that wouldn't have gone down well with Sheila. After Sheila's stay in hospital in 1983,she went to WHF to recuperate and June had given her short shrift by saying that she wasn't the only one who'd been unwell,or words to that effect. In other words,as Sheila told her friends that her mother had offered no sympathy.

BW possibly did know,but she's not likely to have said anything being a family confidante. Even less likely now since her latest video. 

[Jane]

There should by rights have been a pathologist to see those bodies,as he/she would have carried out the necessary,including temperature to give an appx time of death,or how else do they expect to solve,or try and solve a murder when nobody knew what time it happened ?
Getting back to doctor's duties,a local doctor,here,took the old man's temperature because it was a sudden death and nobody else was present at the time. So different GP's have different methods.

I must find where I read about June. It could possibly have been the same doctor who'd treated Sheila in the March,but I do know that June had been diagnosed latterly to the tragedy,she'd suffered a nervous breakdown quite a few years after her first one.
This second breakdown of June's was just before Sheila met her birth mother,and it was after this meeting that Sheila had become increasingly erratic,and that's when she was sent along to see Dr Ferguson,where he'd described Sheila as being in a very agitated and psychotic state.
Even Sheila's friends had noticed that in 6 months,that she had become a " driven and tormented creature " ( Claire Powell's words, which I was once lambasted for using on here )

However,I've scanned through Powell's book to see if it had been her that had written the diagnosis of June,but up to now I can't find it. It's possible I've seen it on one of Dr Ferguson's letters on here somewhere,but I know I'm not mistaken.

Lookout, I've just had a closer look at what your post says. Forgive me, but it doesn't add up.

You say that it was after she met her birth mother that Sheila became increasingly erratic, was sent to see Dr F who described her as being in a very agitated and psychotic state!!!!! Sheila met her birth mother for the first and ONLY time AFTER she had discharged herself early from Dr F's care at the hospital. He never saw her again. I find it very hard to pin the expression "driven and tormented creature" on to any of the friends I think Sheila is likely to have had. It's too old an expression and has a far to literary ring about it.

[Adam]

You can easily find that out yourself.

I'm not claiming it.

[David1819]

Statements including Dr Craig's notes the blood on the bottom back of the door.

June had to have collapsed quickly or she would have been able to leave the bedroom.  Since she was shot in the head in bed before the kitchen episode this precludes her surviving long.  She was already on the floor by the time the killer returned upstairs. from the kitchen.  The 2 chest wounds that he called serious can't have been delivered while she was on the floor and based on the amount of blood they filled her chest with were delivered before she died.  It is not conceivable they were delivered after the killer returned from the kitchen.  The only reason she was still in the bedroom by that time is that is where she collapsed and only the shot between the eye could have been delivered while she was lying on the floor. The other were all while she was in bed or getting out of bed.  She could have been sitting in bed or practically standing upright when shot in the chest but not lying on the floor.

I believe she sat up right in bed then received several shots. Falling back slightly but still resting her body slightly upright. While the killer reloads and deals with Neville she manages to get to the door then receives the last fatal shots.

There would be blood at the bottom of the door yes specially since some where exit wounds. However I have seen a partial image of the door and cannot see any blood. That's another reason why I asked if we could get more of the crime scene photos it would help a lot 

[Adam]

Look, Sheila was a 'nutter' who 'should be locked up' and was 'going back to the nut house'.

Who says so ? Jeremy.

[lookout]

Lookout, I've just had a closer look at what your post says. Forgive me, but it doesn't add up.

You say that it was after she met her birth mother that Sheila became increasingly erratic, was sent to see Dr F who described her as being in a very agitated and psychotic state!!!!! Sheila met her birth mother for the first and ONLY time AFTER she had discharged herself early from Dr F's care at the hospital. He never saw her again. I find it very hard to pin the expression "driven and tormented creature" on to any of the friends I think Sheila is likely to have had. It's too old an expression and has a far to literary ring about it.

It's a very old book.1994. That's exactly what the author said.Also she'd added her thanks to the dozens of people who'd agreed to speak to her while she was writing her book.

[susan]

Maggie no moon source please

[Jane]

It's a very old book.1994. That's exactly what the author said.Also she'd added her thanks to the dozens of people who'd agreed to speak to her while she was writing her book.

I haven't read it. It seems to me that there are some facts about the case that it would be difficult to get wrong. CP seems to have managed. I don't think Sheila received the best of after care under Dr F's auspices, but I would never have credited him with SO gross a miscalculation on the timing of her illness.

[maggie]

You don't believe there was a moon. Source please.

Actually, after shooting and killing Neville and June in bed, he would put a light on to reload. Things didn't quite work like that.

Am almost certain the clouds were hiding the moon that night can remember having this discussion, think we found out from the met office what the weather was like that night.  Your guess is as good as mine to the source it was a few years ago.

[lookout]

Am almost certain the clouds were hiding the moon that night can remember having this discussion, think we found out from the met office what the weather was like that night.  Your guess is as good as mine to the source it was a few years ago.

I think it was Patti who kindly gave us the weather forecast for that night. There were clouds because it had been raining too,so not as clear as sky as one would have us believe

[maggie]

Am almost certain the clouds were hiding the moon that night can remember having this discussion, think we found out from the met office what the weather was like that night.  Your guess is as good as mine to the source it was a few years ago.

You'll find it on a thread in the index.

[maggie]

I think it was Patti who kindly gave us the weather forecast for that night. There were clouds because it had been raining too,so not as clear as sky as one would have us believe

I thought it was Patti and the sky was mainly overcast, however the moon when out was round the other side of the house.
Am sorry adam but it would have been pitch black in the house without any lights.

[Mr. Gee]

Well she was found in the main bedroom, so may have gone in there first. Never to exit alive. Children or no children, people are usually terrified of gunmen in the dark.

I have never really said much about Sheila being totally drugged up. Although lots of people have mentioned this. Obviously if she was drugged up and as uncoordinated as AE and RB say, Jeremy is guilty.

The lights were found on according to some officers.