The main prosecution forensic case

[Jan]

Nothing funny about it.

It's just a fact, maybe people were put off giving their version when they saw someone else's version get trashed.

Either way, there are only two suspects. If you can't say how one committed the massacre when all evidence is available, there is only one decent thing to do.

don't you get it?

You have not given a feasible scenario at all ? We have ripped yours apart. It is you that needs to change your mind,not us.

[Alias]

Adam, you don´t have to, but you are welcome to PM me if you need support when you change your stance. I will be sympathetic and listen to all you have to say. 

[Adam]

don't you get it?

You have not given a feasible scenario at all ? We have ripped yours apart. It is you that needs to change your mind,not us.

You didn't comment on my point by point suggestion.

[Adam]

Adam, you don´t have to, but you are welcome to PM me if you need support when you change your stance. I will be sympathetic and listen to all you have to say. 

I was all ready to change stance. But no one told me how Sheila did it.

[David1819]

I was all ready to change stance. But no one told me how Sheila did it.

Adam I think I did provide you with one... You then said stop relying on unlikely events to fall inplace
in other words you couldn't destroy it

[Adam]

The word begins with 'D'.

Sheila fires two shots each into the twins. Although she is in a crazy rage she does not empty the rifle. Mmm. 

Neville and June, sleeping in another room luckily hear the four shots. Rather than go out together to investigate, only Neville goes out. Mmm. 

Neville sees Sheila with a gun, by the twins room. He abandons everyone. To....ring Jeremy. Mmm. 

He calls Jeremy and just says ten words. Although Sheila is upstairs, leaving him alone. Then leaves the phone off the hook so Jeremy cannot call back. Mmm. I trust you do not believe Neville phoned Chelmsford police. 

June had decided to go back to sleep. As her first shot was with her head on the pillow. Mmm. 

Neville returns upstairs after abandoning everyone for several minutes.  Without anything to protect his face or torso. Although he wants to 'stop the ordeal' and was scared enough to ring Jeremy, knowing there has been gun shots. Mmm. 

Although Sheila had shot the twins, and June. Neville enters the main bedroom unprotected. Although he had just abandoned his family and rang Jeremy, so terrified of Sheila. Mmm. 

Sheila very accurately shoots and hits Neville four times. Neville again goes downstairs. Mmm. 

Neville decides to just wait in the kitchen for Sheila to reload, although there is no proof she could re load. Mmm. 

Once Sheila has reloaded she enters the kitchen. Rather than shoot Neville, she engages in a violent struggle. The judge saying 'Neville put up a tremendous fight for life'. Sheila gives Neville a brutal beating and doesn't get a mark on herself. Mmm. 

Sheila now has delusions about the twins and reloads to shoot the dead twins another four times. Mmm

[Alias]

Adam, you don´t know what happened. If you need to cry out on my shoulder over it, feel free to PM me.

[David1819]

The word begins with 'D'.

Sheila fires two shots each into the twins. Although she is in a crazy rage she does not empty the rifle. Mmm.

Neville and June, sleeping in another room luckily hear the four shots. Rather than go out together to investigate, only Neville goes out. Mmm.

Neville sees Sheila with a gun, by the twins room. He abandons everyone. To....ring Jeremy. Mmm.

He calls Jeremy and just says ten words. Although Sheila is upstairs, leaving him alone. Then leaves the phone off the hook so Jeremy cannot call back. Mmm. I trust you do not believe Neville phoned Chelmsford police.

June had decided to go back to sleep. As her first shot was with her head on the pillow. Mmm.

Neville returns upstairs after abandoning everyone for several minutes.  Without anything to protect his face or torso. Although he wants to 'stop the ordeal' and was scared enough to ring Jeremy, knowing there has been gun shots. Mmm.

Although Sheila had shot the twins, and June. Neville enters the main bedroom unprotected. Although he had just abandoned his family and rang Jeremy, so terrified of Sheila. Mmm.

Sheila very accurately shoots and hits Neville four times. Neville again goes downstairs. Mmm.

Neville decides to just wait in the kitchen for Sheila to reload, although there is no proof she could re load. Mmm.

Once Sheila has reloaded she enters the kitchen. Rather than shoot Neville, she engages in a violent struggle. The judge saying 'Neville put up a tremendous fight for life'. Sheila gives Neville a brutal beating and doesn't get a mark on herself. Mmm.

Sheila now has delusions about the twins and reloads to shoot the dead twins another four times. Mmm

Its all very likely Adam, you just don't want to think so. How you think they would not wake up to gunshots in the next room is beyond me

[Mr. Gee]

I was all ready to change stance. But no one told me how Sheila did it.

Never mind Adam. You can come round my house and I'll share my weed with you.

[scipio_usmc]

Its all very likely Adam, you just don't want to think so. How you think they would not wake up to gunshots in the next room is beyond me

1) they were not in the next room there was a room in between the room the boys slept in and the master bedroom

2) the gun had a moderator and subsonic bullets

3) there are documented cases of kids and adults not waking up despite people being shot in the room adjacent to theirs with an unsuppressed firearm larger than 22 caliber

So you are batting 0/3

You are factually wrong on the first issue, ignored point 2 entirely and your notion it is not possible is proven wrong by documented cases.

So much for your unbiased rational stance you keep trying to peddle incompetently

[David1819]

1) they were not in the next room there was a room in between the room the boys slept in and the master bedroom

2) the gun had a moderator and subsonic bullets

3) there are documented cases of kids and adults not waking up despite people being shot in the room adjacent to theirs with an unsuppressed firearm larger than 22 caliber

So you are batting 0/3

You are factually wrong on the first issue, ignored point 2 entirely and your notion it is not possible is proven wrong by documented cases.

So much for your unbiased rational stance you keep trying to peddle incompetently

[Mr. Gee]

1) they were not in the next room there was a room in between the room the boys slept in and the master bedroom

2) the gun had a moderator and subsonic bullets

3) there are documented cases of kids and adults not waking up despite people being shot in the room adjacent to theirs with an unsuppressed firearm larger than 22 caliber

So you are batting 0/3

You are factually wrong on the first issue, ignored point 2 entirely and your notion it is not possible is proven wrong by documented cases.

So much for your unbiased rational stance you keep trying to peddle incompetently

Notice the the inevitable put down. Apparently David is "incompetent" now just because he put a possible version of events.

[scipio_usmc]

You lied not me.  You lied claiming the boys were in a room next to where the parents were shot, that is false.

Your claim it is not possible for them to sleep through the shooting if they had been directly next door is proved wrong by documented cases where in rooms adjacent to rooms where people were killed with weapons larger than 22 caliber and yet didn't wake up and found out the next morning about the murders.  You intentionally ignored the gun was suppressed and had subsonic ammunition.

I'm being a horrible person for bursting your bubble with facts and rational though which you want no part of.  Indeed when I pointed to the medical evidence refuting your nonsense about the 4 shots from the bedroom being near fatal and Nevill walking to the kitchen and simply passing out and collapsing you closed your eyes and covered your ears like a child does when they don't want to face something.  You did the same regarding the evidence demonstrating June suffered at least 6 shots before the altercation in the kitchen which you claim never occurred. 

You even made a mistake claiming the bullets were upstairs and that after reloading upstairs she went to the kitchen.  You tried to spin things saying I was unaware that the back stairway leads to the kitchen and that the back office could have been accessed by it.  That has nothing to do with your claim though which was she went to a cupboard upstairs, loaded the gun and then ran down the stairs to the kitchen.   

Since the points I make are so hard to discredit and you keep ending up with egg on your face when you try you resort to mocking me in childish ways which frankly doesn't bother me it merely demonstrates you have no substantive way to address what I raise and belies your claims of looking at things objectively.  Ignoring evidence like the medical assessments of the wounds so you can pretend there was no struggle in the kitchen and try to pretend the boys were shot first isn't being objective.  Objectivity is demonstrated by following the known facts and evidence where it leads.

[maggie]

You lied not me.  You lied claiming the boys were in a room next to where the parents were shot, that is false.

Your claim it is not possible for them to sleep through the shooting if they had been directly next door is proved wrong by documented cases where in rooms adjacent to rooms where people were killed with weapons larger than 22 caliber and yet didn't wake up and found out the next morning about the murders.  You intentionally ignored the gun was suppressed and had subsonic ammunition.

I'm being a horrible person for bursting your bubble with facts and rational though which you want no part of.  Indeed when I pointed to the medical evidence refuting your nonsense about the 4 shots from the bedroom being near fatal and Nevill walking to the kitchen and simply passing out and collapsing you closed your eyes and covered your ears like a child does when they don't want to face something.  You did the same regarding the evidence demonstrating June suffered at least 6 shots before the altercation in the kitchen which you claim never occurred. 

You even made a mistake claiming the bullets were upstairs and that after reloading upstairs she went to the kitchen.  You tried to spin things saying I was unaware that the back stairway leads to the kitchen and that the back office could have been accessed by it.  That has nothing to do with your claim though which was she went to a cupboard upstairs, loaded the gun and then ran down the stairs to the kitchen.   

Since the points I make are so hard to discredit and you keep ending up with egg on your face when you try you resort to mocking me in childish ways which frankly doesn't bother me it merely demonstrates you have no substantive way to address what I raise and belies your claims of looking at things objectively.  Ignoring evidence like the medical assessments of the wounds so you can pretend there was no struggle in the kitchen and try to pretend the boys were shot first isn't being objective.  Objectivity is demonstrated by following the known facts and evidence where it leads.

Scipio,

Please don't use the word 'lie'.  'Lie' suggests that David purposely misled people which I'm sure he didn't.

It would be a great help if you chose your words more carefully as understandably posters object to being called liars every time they post something you don't agree with. 
Thank you

[Mr. Gee]

Scipio,

Please don't use the word 'lie'.  'Lie' suggests that David purposely misled people which I'm sure he didn't.

It would be a great help if you chose your words more carefully as understandably posters object to being called liars every time they post something you don't agree with. 
Thank you

scipio is very clever with words, but unfortunately doesn't know how to use them.