The main prosecution forensic case

[Caroline]

The whole balance and tone of the forum changed when this rude person arrived. Some mods buddied up with him and thereby gave the whole mess a seal of approval.
I know some will be angry at this, but hey ho, what can I do?

If you mean me Alias, just say so, I'm a grown up and I can take it. It is of course totally untrue and I have had my run ins with Scip just as others have. Difference is, I don't take it personally.  No point in arguing with you because you're a dig your heels in kinda gal and that's the way you see it so nee one's gonna shift ye! I'm not even going to try!!

[Caroline]

LOL...................

I thought you might agree 

[Mr. Gee]

The tone of the forum prior to my arrival was to attack people who initially thought Jeremy was innocent began to change their mind and support Jeremy's guilt.  In the meantime there was like a Civil War of sorts between posters on the blue forum and red forum.

There are a lot of people who have views that are based not on following the evidence but rather simply based on what they choose to believe regardless of the evidence.  When I bring up evidence that challenges what they want to believe it is a problem and met with scorn.  I'm not one to back down and run away and how people act towards me set the tenor.  Even Grahame and Mike telling me to f off or other curses wasn't responded to in kind.  While I respond with confrontation it is in a different way than childish cursing.

I heard all sorts of things from people on both sides of the aisle regarding NGB. I happen to like the Battle of Hastings military history is my hobby and why I ended up a history major so I like his 1066 moniker. he doesn't post nearly as often as everyone else, maybe he posted more in the past.  I have noticed a lot of people put words in his mouth and attribute things to him that he didn't actually claim.   We haven't butted heads much but when we did the tenor wasn't anything like with some other people who support Jeremy.  That is because of the tenor he sets.  I am reactive when it comes to tenor and proactive when it comes to arguments.  I head off arguments before they are even made because I know what can be coming. I am the sort that is a best friend or worst enemy. Which someone becomes is up to them.

 

How do you know if it was prior to your arrival?

[Jan]

The tone of the forum prior to my arrival was to attack people who initially thought Jeremy was innocent began to change their mind and support Jeremy's guilt.  In the meantime there was like a Civil War of sorts between posters on the blue forum and red forum.

There are a lot of people who have views that are based not on following the evidence but rather simply based on what they choose to believe regardless of the evidence.  When I bring up evidence that challenges what they want to believe it is a problem and met with scorn.  I'm not one to back down and run away and how people act towards me set the tenor.  Even Grahame and Mike telling me to f off or other curses wasn't responded to in kind.  While I respond with confrontation it is in a different way than childish cursing.

I heard all sorts of things from people on both sides of the aisle regarding NGB. I happen to like the Battle of Hastings military history is my hobby and why I ended up a history major so I like his 1066 moniker. he doesn't post nearly as often as everyone else, maybe he posted more in the past.  I have noticed a lot of people put words in his mouth and attribute things to him that he didn't actually claim.   We haven't butted heads much but when we did the tenor wasn't anything like with some other people who support Jeremy.  That is because of the tenor he sets.  I am reactive when it comes to tenor and proactive when it comes to arguments.  I head off arguments before they are even made because I know what can be coming. I am the sort that is a best friend or worst enemy. Which someone becomes is up to them.

 

I think your post is dishonest. You lure people in by posting in a reasonable way - and then start lashing out with accusations when you don't get your own way. Using the words you do - such as dishonest - is no different than calling someone a liar to their face . Its is ill mannered and totally uncalled for. Posters on both sides are entitled to their opinions and some are more passionate than others. The majority of posters on here are NOT liars . They are not biased - they just do not accept that you are any more of an expert than those who have appeared for the prosecution and the defence on many previous occasions. We are no more biased than you , and I for one don't think there is a chance in hell that you are ever going to wake up and smell the roses so to speak.

IMO of course

[Mr. Gee]

I think your post is dishonest. You lure people in by posting in a reasonable way - and then start lashing out with accusations when you don't get your own way. Using the words you do - such as dishonest - is no different than calling someone a liar to their face . Its is ill mannered and totally uncalled for. Posters on both sides are entitled to their opinions and some are more passionate than others. The majority of posters on here are NOT liars . They are not biased - they just do not accept that you are any more of an expert than those who have appeared for the prosecution and the defence on many previous occasions. We are no more biased than you , and I for one don't think there is a chance in hell that you are ever going to wake up and smell the roses so to speak.

IMO of course

Thanks Jan. I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices this. It is a plan on his part to demoralize others who do not agree with him and as I stressed before and will keep on stressing it. It is insidious. He is working on people's subconscious level by his continual denigration of them so that they become dispirited. Notice his continual harping on about how he derives his arguments through a logical examination of the evidence. BUT of course everyone who dares to disagree with him does not. Instead according to hi, they grab unsupported objections out of the air.

In the end he gets others to believe that he actually is using evidence. But in reality he will not allow any critisism of his views, which of course is what they basically are, his view, his understanding of the evidence which is indisputably the correct interpretation to which there is no answer. Notice his continual challenging of others to answer him. But when and if they do all he says is that is at most wrong and at least the person is not either thinking logically neither are they examining the evidence with any kind of common sense.

[David1819]

Thanks Jan. I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices this. It is a plan on his part to demoralize others who do not agree with him and as I stressed before and will keep on stressing it. It is insidious. He is working on people's subconscious level by his continual denigration of them so that they become dispirited. Notice his continual harping on about how he derives his arguments through a logical examination of the evidence. BUT of course everyone who dares to disagree with him does not. Instead according to hi, they grab unsupported objections out of the air.

In the end he gets others to believe that he actually is using evidence. But in reality he will not allow any critisism of his views, which of course is what they basically are, his view, his understanding of the evidence which is indisputably the correct interpretation to which there is no answer. Notice his continual challenging of others to answer him. But when and if they do all he says is that is at most wrong and at least the person is not either thinking logically neither are they examining the evidence with any kind of common sense.

Spot on!

[David1819]

I think your post is dishonest. You lure people in by posting in a reasonable way - and then start lashing out with accusations when you don't get your own way. Using the words you do - such as dishonest - is no different than calling someone a liar to their face . Its is ill mannered and totally uncalled for. Posters on both sides are entitled to their opinions and some are more passionate than others. The majority of posters on here are NOT liars . They are not biased - they just do not accept that you are any more of an expert than those who have appeared for the prosecution and the defence on many previous occasions. We are no more biased than you , and I for one don't think there is a chance in hell that you are ever going to wake up and smell the roses so to speak.

IMO of course

[Jan]

 

[Adam]

Jan you need to announce you're retraction from the innocent stance.

You were unable to say how Sheila did it. PM if you need some moral support.

[Adam]

David I excused you from having to retract.

However you're summary of how Sheila committed the massacre was so bad, you submitted another one. Which was again ripped apart.

Feel free to PM if you are having trouble retracting.

[Adam]

Thanks Jan. I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices this. It is a plan on his part to demoralize others who do not agree with him and as I stressed before and will keep on stressing it. It is insidious. He is working on people's subconscious level by his continual denigration of them so that they become dispirited. Notice his continual harping on about how he derives his arguments through a logical examination of the evidence. BUT of course everyone who dares to disagree with him does not. Instead according to hi, they grab unsupported objections out of the air.

In the end he gets others to believe that he actually is using evidence. But in reality he will not allow any critisism of his views, which of course is what they basically are, his view, his understanding of the evidence which is indisputably the correct interpretation to which there is no answer. Notice his continual challenging of others to answer him. But when and if they do all he says is that is at most wrong and at least the person is not either thinking logically neither are they examining the evidence with any kind of common sense.

Grahame you also need to retract.

PM me if you need a friendly ear.

[susan]

Hahaha Adam you do have a sense of humour my little warrior

[Jan]

I know Adam really thinks Jeremy is innocent -that is why he has a picture of his hero on every post

[Adam]

Hahaha Adam you do have a sense if humour my little warrior

Nothing funny about it.

It's just a fact, maybe people were put off giving their version when they saw someone else's version get trashed.

Either way, there are only two suspects. If you can't say how one committed the massacre when all evidence is available, there is only one decent thing to do.

[Alias]

I know Adam really thinks Jeremy is innocent -that is why he has a picture of his hero on every post

It´s a bit creepy.  Why does he choose a picture of a young, handsome Jeremy for his avvie?