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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #210 on: February 25, 2015, 08:14:PM »
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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #211 on: February 26, 2015, 11:38:AM »
You don't know me so don't make assumption and stop goading! If Adam or Scip had behaved like you yesterday, they'd have been banned. The empty apology is NOT accepted!!
Of course they wouldn't you are so childish and always saying things are fair just because they are not handled the way you think they should. You're the one whose carrying on I'm just answering you. It's a wonder you can still hear me from your ivory tower. "Boo hoo it's not fair" these supposedly intelligent people cry. This admin has been the fairest it has every been. In any case I'm not really concerned if I' banned or not. As for scipio, he's had so many chances I can't begin to count them. The most abusive character I've ever known. I am just defending those who are always on his list of abused in his constant tirade of mocking. I'm just about sick and tyred of you lot poking fun at them. Bloody hypocrite.

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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #212 on: February 26, 2015, 12:41:PM »
Of course they wouldn't you are so childish and always saying things are fair just because they are not handled the way you think they should. You're the one whose carrying on I'm just answering you. It's a wonder you can still hear me from your ivory tower. "Boo hoo it's not fair" these supposedly intelligent people cry. This admin has been the fairest it has every been. In any case I'm not really concerned if I' banned or not. As for scipio, he's had so many chances I can't begin to count them. The most abusive character I've ever known. I am just defending those who are always on his list of abused in his constant tirade of mocking. I'm just about sick and tyred of you lot poking fun at them. Bloody hypocrite.






Mr G, it's much,much more difficult defending a person such as in Jeremy's situation than it is to condemn him. When you condemn a person,you can use up all the angst within you by chucking your hatred toward that person in calling him murderer and he did this,that and the other,and was this that and the other,but defending is a different ball game, where,hard as it is,you must never lose your cool.
I'm more or less calm because I've resigned myself to him being innocent,so therefore there are no doubts in me to unsettle the way I feel and I couldn't care less what others say about him because it goes right over my head.
It's when you're " not sure " that things get you down,and when you're fed things that aren't altogether true,doesn't help how you feel. There's NO middle ground as far as I'm concerned,it's either Yes or No. 

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Mr G, it's much,much more difficult defending a person such as in Jeremy's situation than it is to condemn him. When you condemn a person,you can use up all the angst within you by chucking your hatred toward that person in calling him murderer and he did this,that and the other,and was this that and the other,but defending is a different ball game, where,hard as it is,you must never lose your cool.
I'm more or less calm because I've resigned myself to him being innocent,so therefore there are no doubts in me to unsettle the way I feel and I couldn't care less what others say about him because it goes right over my head.
It's when you're " not sure " that things get you down,and when you're fed things that aren't altogether true,doesn't help how you feel. There's NO middle ground as far as I'm concerned,it's either Yes or No.
I agree. Neither do those who believe him to be guilty have to use much brain power either, because of the simple fact that he has already been found guilty by ten people so all they have to do is reiterate the so called evidence against him and they never ever criticise that evidence as we do. Rather it is easier for them to criticise us by saying that we are against the cops or the relatives or Mugford. They never ever try to pull the evidence apart, but rather accept it as it was accepted in court. As you say and you have felt it as well. In a lot of those who think Bamber guilty there I detect a kind of wallowing in the glee and hatred of Bamber. Furthermore they justify their actions by saying things like, "Well he deserves such hatred, because two liitle kids were murdered", thereby feigning a kind of concern for those kids.

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« Reply #214 on: February 26, 2015, 01:03:PM »
I agree. Neither do those who believe him to be guilty have to use much brain power either, because of the simple fact that he has already been found guilty by ten people so all they have to do is reiterate the so called evidence against him and they never ever criticise that evidence as we do. Rather it is easier for them to criticise us by saying that we are against the cops or the relatives or Mugford. They never ever try to pull the evidence apart, but rather accept it as it was accepted in court. As you say and you have felt it as well. In a lot of those who think Bamber guilty there I detect a kind of wallowing in the glee and hatred of Bamber. Furthermore they justify their actions by saying things like, "Well he deserves such hatred, because two liitle kids were murdered", thereby feigning a kind of concern for those kids.





Exactly. So very sad as it is,it's totally unfair and very WRONG of those who EMPHASISE the deaths of the children as some kind of  " bargaining tool " to keep him locked up.

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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #215 on: February 26, 2015, 04:01:PM »
I agree. Neither do those who believe him to be guilty have to use much brain power either, because of the simple fact that he has already been found guilty by ten people so all they have to do is reiterate the so called evidence against him and they never ever criticise that evidence as we do. Rather it is easier for them to criticise us by saying that we are against the cops or the relatives or Mugford. They never ever try to pull the evidence apart, but rather accept it as it was accepted in court. As you say and you have felt it as well. In a lot of those who think Bamber guilty there I detect a kind of wallowing in the glee and hatred of Bamber. Furthermore they justify their actions by saying things like, "Well he deserves such hatred, because two liitle kids were murdered", thereby feigning a kind of concern for those kids.

This is where you are dishonest.  I did evaluate the evidence that convicted Jeremy and there is nothing to rebut it.  The trial defense failed to rebut it, the defense on appeal has failed to rebut it and you and the other people who insist he is innocent have failed to rebut it.

You choose to believe Jeremy is innocent even though you have nothing to rebut the evidence that convicted him.  Whatever you come up with to try to rebut it is just wild speculation that you have no evidence to actually prove occurred.  For example speculating that Julie lied and he police and famiy got together and fabricated evidence.  Tossed in for good measure is the claim Sheila washed herself and changed her clothes though there is no reason why she would do so but it is chalked up to, "she was crazy so would have done senseless things". 

There is considerable evidence establishing the June and Nevill were shot in the bedroom where June died, but an injured Nevill traveled to the kitchen where he was beaten and shot to death, then the boys and Sheila were killed.  A phone call to Jeremy from the kitchen makes no sense and doesn't fit in at all let alone for Nevill or Sheila to hang up the phone then take it off the hook again and leave it off the hook so no one could call the house. There is unrebutted evidence that Sheila can't have killed herself or anyone else. 

I looked at what would be required for the blood to have been planted in the moderator in an objective fashion.  Only the lab had the skill and knowledge to do that.  Since the family said it saw blood that would require them to have been contacted and corrupted into making such false claim to hide that the lab planted it.  In the meantime the lab had to have removed blood from the rifle and concealed that fact.   If the lab was going to lie like that all they would have to have done then was to lie and say they found blood when they didn't and pretend they did tests so could have said they found AK1 enzymes throughout. Since Lincoln found microscopic traces of group A blood on the first 8 baffles that means they had to have done more than just test blood and say they found it inside they had to have planted it, let it dry and then scraped it whatever was visible.  Aside from not having the know how to plant the blood the police demonstrated they didn't plant it by not making the lab do a thorough serological test of the blood right away.  There is concrete evidence that the blood was there by 8/14/85 because there is evidence that on that date police were notified that plaint was found on the moderator and human blood was found on and inside the moderator. So the blood had to have been planted by then.  Instead of having the lab follow up to type test the blood, the police spent the next few weeks fingerprinting it.  If they had planted blood so that it could be used to establish Sheila was murdered they would have wanted the lab to immediately do thorough blood testing, not to be worried about looking for fingerprints and super glue fuming it. There is no accidental way for the quantity of blood found inside in the distribution it was found inside to have gotten inside by accident.  It got there by being sprayed there.  It was either drawback from a contact shot or planted and if it was planted then blood had ot have been found in the rifle which was concealed.

There is unrebutted evidence that Sheila's fatal shot was a contact wound which would result in drawback.  There is unrebutted testimony that no blood was found in the rifle. Thus the evidence to establish the blood in the moderator was drawback is unrebutted.  There is also evidence Sheila's body was moved after her death but while she was still bleeding which means someone else had to have been there.  She had no ability to change from the gown she died in and if she had shot herself she would have to have hugged the weapon and soot and GSR would have exited the vents and ejection port and gotten on her gown. 

You are not following the evidence you are speculating the evidence is doctored and fabricated though you have no evidence to establish it was and when asked why you speculate it is because you don't trust police or the family so not for any fact based reason.  You can't pull the evidence apart but don't care you still refuse to accept it anyway.

So don't pretend that the evidence was rebutted and that people who think he is guilty are ignoring that.  The whole reason he is still in prison is because the evidence that convicted him has not been rebutted.  Supporters speculate witnesses lied and the evidence was fabricated but have no evidence to prove it.

When you believe something you can't prove you are taking a leap of faith.  That is what his supporters do.  Some supporters are people who believe he is guilty but pretend they believe he isn't and do such as opportunists who use the case for their own purposes. it is about them not Jeremy the case is just a vehicle for them.

 

 
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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #216 on: February 26, 2015, 04:58:PM »
This is where you are dishonest.  I did evaluate the evidence that convicted Jeremy and there is nothing to rebut it.  The trial defense failed to rebut it, the defense on appeal has failed to rebut it and you and the other people who insist he is innocent have failed to rebut it.

You choose to believe Jeremy is innocent even though you have nothing to rebut the evidence that convicted him.  Whatever you come up with to try to rebut it is just wild speculation that you have no evidence to actually prove occurred.  For example speculating that Julie lied and he police and famiy got together and fabricated evidence.  Tossed in for good measure is the claim Sheila washed herself and changed her clothes though there is no reason why she would do so but it is chalked up to, "she was crazy so would have done senseless things". 

There is considerable evidence establishing the June and Nevill were shot in the bedroom where June died, but an injured Nevill traveled to the kitchen where he was beaten and shot to death, then the boys and Sheila were killed.  A phone call to Jeremy from the kitchen makes no sense and doesn't fit in at all let alone for Nevill or Sheila to hang up the phone then take it off the hook again and leave it off the hook so no one could call the house. There is unrebutted evidence that Sheila can't have killed herself or anyone else. 

I looked at what would be required for the blood to have been planted in the moderator in an objective fashion.  Only the lab had the skill and knowledge to do that.  Since the family said it saw blood that would require them to have been contacted and corrupted into making such false claim to hide that the lab planted it.  In the meantime the lab had to have removed blood from the rifle and concealed that fact.   If the lab was going to lie like that all they would have to have done then was to lie and say they found blood when they didn't and pretend they did tests so could have said they found AK1 enzymes throughout. Since Lincoln found microscopic traces of group A blood on the first 8 baffles that means they had to have done more than just test blood and say they found it inside they had to have planted it, let it dry and then scraped it whatever was visible.  Aside from not having the know how to plant the blood the police demonstrated they didn't plant it by not making the lab do a thorough serological test of the blood right away.  There is concrete evidence that the blood was there by 8/14/85 because there is evidence that on that date police were notified that plaint was found on the moderator and human blood was found on and inside the moderator. So the blood had to have been planted by then.  Instead of having the lab follow up to type test the blood, the police spent the next few weeks fingerprinting it.  If they had planted blood so that it could be used to establish Sheila was murdered they would have wanted the lab to immediately do thorough blood testing, not to be worried about looking for fingerprints and super glue fuming it. There is no accidental way for the quantity of blood found inside in the distribution it was found inside to have gotten inside by accident.  It got there by being sprayed there.  It was either drawback from a contact shot or planted and if it was planted then blood had ot have been found in the rifle which was concealed.

There is unrebutted evidence that Sheila's fatal shot was a contact wound which would result in drawback.  There is unrebutted testimony that no blood was found in the rifle. Thus the evidence to establish the blood in the moderator was drawback is unrebutted.  There is also evidence Sheila's body was moved after her death but while she was still bleeding which means someone else had to have been there.  She had no ability to change from the gown she died in and if she had shot herself she would have to have hugged the weapon and soot and GSR would have exited the vents and ejection port and gotten on her gown. 

You are not following the evidence you are speculating the evidence is doctored and fabricated though you have no evidence to establish it was and when asked why you speculate it is because you don't trust police or the family so not for any fact based reason.  You can't pull the evidence apart but don't care you still refuse to accept it anyway.

So don't pretend that the evidence was rebutted and that people who think he is guilty are ignoring that.  The whole reason he is still in prison is because the evidence that convicted him has not been rebutted.  Supporters speculate witnesses lied and the evidence was fabricated but have no evidence to prove it.

When you believe something you can't prove you are taking a leap of faith.  That is what his supporters do.  Some supporters are people who believe he is guilty but pretend they believe he isn't and do such as opportunists who use the case for their own purposes. it is about them not Jeremy the case is just a vehicle for them.





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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #217 on: February 26, 2015, 04:59:PM »
I can see just what you're aiming to do and I think it's a cheap trick !
Shame on your part that it doesn't work.

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« Reply #218 on: February 26, 2015, 05:16:PM »
This is where you are dishonest.  I did evaluate the evidence that convicted Jeremy and there is nothing to rebut it.  The trial defense failed to rebut it, the defense on appeal has failed to rebut it and you and the other people who insist he is innocent have failed to rebut it.

You choose to believe Jeremy is innocent even though you have nothing to rebut the evidence that convicted him.  Whatever you come up with to try to rebut it is just wild speculation that you have no evidence to actually prove occurred. For example speculating that Julie lied and he police and famiy got together and fabricated evidence.  Tossed in for good measure is the claim Sheila washed herself and changed her clothes though there is no reason why she would do so but it is chalked up to, "she was crazy so would have done senseless things". 

There is considerable evidence establishing the June and Nevill were shot in the bedroom where June died, but an injured Nevill traveled to the kitchen where he was beaten and shot to death, then the boys and Sheila were killed.  A phone call to Jeremy from the kitchen makes no sense and doesn't fit in at all let alone for Nevill or Sheila to hang up the phone then take it off the hook again and leave it off the hook so no one could call the house. There is unrebutted evidence that Sheila can't have killed herself or anyone else. 

I looked at what would be required for the blood to have been planted in the moderator in an objective fashion.  Only the lab had the skill and knowledge to do that.  Since the family said it saw blood that would require them to have been contacted and corrupted into making such false claim to hide that the lab planted it.  In the meantime the lab had to have removed blood from the rifle and concealed that fact.   If the lab was going to lie like that all they would have to have done then was to lie and say they found blood when they didn't and pretend they did tests so could have said they found AK1 enzymes throughout. Since Lincoln found microscopic traces of group A blood on the first 8 baffles that means they had to have done more than just test blood and say they found it inside they had to have planted it, let it dry and then scraped it whatever was visible.  Aside from not having the know how to plant the blood the police demonstrated they didn't plant it by not making the lab do a thorough serological test of the blood right away.  There is concrete evidence that the blood was there by 8/14/85 because there is evidence that on that date police were notified that plaint was found on the moderator and human blood was found on and inside the moderator. So the blood had to have been planted by then.  Instead of having the lab follow up to type test the blood, the police spent the next few weeks fingerprinting it.  If they had planted blood so that it could be used to establish Sheila was murdered they would have wanted the lab to immediately do thorough blood testing, not to be worried about looking for fingerprints and super glue fuming it. There is no accidental way for the quantity of blood found inside in the distribution it was found inside to have gotten inside by accident.  It got there by being sprayed there.  It was either drawback from a contact shot or planted and if it was planted then blood had ot have been found in the rifle which was concealed.

There is unrebutted evidence that Sheila's fatal shot was a contact wound which would result in drawback.  There is unrebutted testimony that no blood was found in the rifle. Thus the evidence to establish the blood in the moderator was drawback is unrebutted.  There is also evidence Sheila's body was moved after her death but while she was still bleeding which means someone else had to have been there.  She had no ability to change from the gown she died in and if she had shot herself she would have to have hugged the weapon and soot and GSR would have exited the vents and ejection port and gotten on her gown. 

You are not following the evidence you are speculating the evidence is doctored and fabricated though you have no evidence to establish it was and when asked why you speculate it is because you don't trust police or the family so not for any fact based reason.  You can't pull the evidence apart but don't care you still refuse to accept it anyway.

So don't pretend that the evidence was rebutted and that people who think he is guilty are ignoring that.  The whole reason he is still in prison is because the evidence that convicted him has not been rebutted.  Supporters speculate witnesses lied and the evidence was fabricated but have no evidence to prove it.

When you believe something you can't prove you are taking a leap of faith.  That is what his supporters do.  Some supporters are people who believe he is guilty but pretend they believe he isn't and do such as opportunists who use the case for their own purposes. it is about them not Jeremy the case is just a vehicle for them.
And this is how you manufacture lies about me. Please show me where I have said that they "clubbed together" to manufacture evidence. This is just your ploy in order to discredit people. You are a wiley and dishonest man. I gave you an entirely plausible explanation why Mugford lied. But instead of accepting it you mock it and also the person who objects to your ideas. I can't see why people refuse to see this trait in you, I really can't?
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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #219 on: February 26, 2015, 06:08:PM »
And this is how you manufacture lies about me. Please show me where I have said that they "clubbed together" to manufacture evidence. This is just your ploy in order to discredit people. You are a wiley and dishonest man. I gave you an entirely plausible explanation why Mugford lied. But instead of accepting it you mock it and also the person who objects to your ideas. I can't see why people refuse to see this trait in you, I really can't?

I noticed a while back. I don't think most people actually bother reading what he posts anymore

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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #220 on: February 26, 2015, 06:14:PM »
I don't. He's just here to " fan the flames ".

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« Reply #221 on: February 26, 2015, 06:15:PM »
I noticed a while back. I don't think most people actually bother reading what he posts anymore
But he does it with all supporters David. I don't really care about it happening to me. But it becomes insidious and grows unnoticed in the forum. People begin to accept it in him as just being him. But it does have a serious and demoralising effect upon some and I for one am concerned about it.

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« Reply #222 on: February 26, 2015, 06:30:PM »
But he does it with all supporters David. I don't really care about it happening to me. But it becomes insidious and grows unnoticed in the forum. People begin to accept it in him as just being him. But it does have a serious and demoralising effect upon some and I for one am concerned about it.

The whole balance and tone of the forum changed when this rude person arrived. Some mods buddied up with him and thereby gave the whole mess a seal of approval.
I know some will be angry at this, but hey ho, what can I do?

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Re: The main prosecution forensic case
« Reply #223 on: February 26, 2015, 06:59:PM »
The whole balance and tone of the forum changed when this rude person arrived. Some mods buddied up with him and thereby gave the whole mess a seal of approval.
I know some will be angry at this, but hey ho, what can I do?

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« Reply #224 on: February 26, 2015, 06:59:PM »
The whole balance and tone of the forum changed when this rude person arrived. Some mods buddied up with him and thereby gave the whole mess a seal of approval.
I know some will be angry at this, but hey ho, what can I do?

The tone of the forum prior to my arrival was to attack people who initially thought Jeremy was innocent began to change their mind and support Jeremy's guilt.  In the meantime there was like a Civil War of sorts between posters on the blue forum and red forum.

There are a lot of people who have views that are based not on following the evidence but rather simply based on what they choose to believe regardless of the evidence.  When I bring up evidence that challenges what they want to believe it is a problem and met with scorn.  I'm not one to back down and run away and how people act towards me set the tenor.  Even Grahame and Mike telling me to f off or other curses wasn't responded to in kind.  While I respond with confrontation it is in a different way than childish cursing.

I heard all sorts of things from people on both sides of the aisle regarding NGB. I happen to like the Battle of Hastings military history is my hobby and why I ended up a history major so I like his 1066 moniker. he doesn't post nearly as often as everyone else, maybe he posted more in the past.  I have noticed a lot of people put words in his mouth and attribute things to him that he didn't actually claim.   We haven't butted heads much but when we did the tenor wasn't anything like with some other people who support Jeremy.  That is because of the tenor he sets.  I am reactive when it comes to tenor and proactive when it comes to arguments.  I head off arguments before they are even made because I know what can be coming. I am the sort that is a best friend or worst enemy. Which someone becomes is up to them.

 
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