The main prosecution forensic case

[susan]

Alias quite right you are your own person and you are not influenced by anyone on this forum you come to your own conclusions from material presented to you.

[lookout]

I think April is trying to help lookout to see that she is running on emotion in an effort to help lookout.

Anytime the evidence is pointed out lookout either denies well established facts or comes up with some argument that fails to address let alone refute the evidence that convicted Jeremy and in the process demonstrates her position is based on a combination of ignorance of the facts, intentionally ignoring evidence and running on emotion.   

I think that when April posts about her change of heart and emotional investment such hits close to home with you because you recognize you are likewise emotionally vested.

I have no emotional investment in this case at all. I believe what I believe solely based on the evidence and I debate such evidence because I love to argue and will argue about just about anything where opportunity exists.  That is why when credible evidence turns up I have no problem accepting it even when it is pro-Jeremy. 

There is a sizable difference between watching the Baseball World Series when the New York Yankees are playing and 2 teams I don't care about.  When the Yankees are playing I want them to win and it is emotional when good or bad things happen.  I will cheer I will jeer I will scream I will curse... When 2 teams I don't care about play there is no emotional investment I just watch the game for the love of the game and that is it.  It is much more relaxed and whatever happens happens.  Some people on both sides have too much emotional investment.

Sorry,but do I look or appear that I need help ? Don't patronise me perlease,I can do without it.
As I've made it plain,just because I think differently to most,doesn't mean that I'm emotionally attached to this case,because I'm not at all. I couldn't care less who it is behind bars,all I want is justice to be done and SEEN to be done,and in this case, it HASN'T and WASN'T.

[Jan]

Well, that is your opinion. I am not a particularly emotional person. I have an interest in different criminal cases, that´s all. This one is not the only one.

I don´t like being accused of buying into everything and anything Mike says, because I don´t. Being accused of such doesn´t make me emotional, it makes me mad.

I agree with Alias on this one. I don't know Jeremy , I have never met Jeremy - therefore I can not claim to be emotionally involved .

Both Alias and I both tend to look at documents for information .

And we are both still asking questions - which funnily enough certain people do not do - or if they do ask a question it is only because they have made up their minds what the answer is before they start a thread.

And lookout is passionate about the case. There are plenty of others who are as well , they just don't all come on this forum.

[Alias]

Yes, a lot of patronising going on, Lookout, it is unbearable!

Thanks, Susan!

[lookout]

Total and utter bullshit!

I totally agree.

[Alias]

I agree with Alias on this one. I don't know Jeremy , I have never met Jeremy - therefore I can not claim to be emotionally involved .

Both Alias and I both tend to look at documents for information .

And we are both still asking questions - which funnily enough certain people do not do - or if they do ask a question it is only because they have made up their minds what the answer is before they start a thread.

And lookout is passionate about the case. There are plenty of others who are as well , they just don't all come on this forum.

Good post, Jan!

[Jane]

April, this is what you said to Mr. Gee and me:

 
After I had said:

Was I "FAR from clear", as you later claimed? I can´t see how much clearer I could have been, but you still KNEW how much I wanted it to be true - and Mat too!
One of the reasons I feel like leaving this place. People think you believe everything Mike says and that you think along the same lines. People think you are an idiot for posting here.

You bet I was mad, April! Again, read what I write actually, before you form your opinion!

Mad, and hellbent on carrying this on WELL beyond it's sell by date, Alias. I don't even know what you think is going to happen. So I said that I knew you wanted to be true what Mike said ie He had a picture/could prove/had evidence/Jeremy would be released as soon as. It appears I was wrong. Maybe you DON'T think Jeremy should be released!!!!! May the heavens pouR their wrath on me. May the earth open up and swallow me. Did ever a woman -or man- make SUCH an unforgivable mistake. May I NEVER be forgiven. Certainly NOT by you, it seems. Do you have ANY idea of HOW ridiculous this has become?

I have NO idea who are the "people" to whom you refer as thinking "you" believe everything Mike says. I haven't come across them So I'M not considering leaving because of them. You can choose to put this behind you and go forward OR you can choose to carry on trying to make a fight. SHOULD you choose the latter, I WON'T be joining in.

[susan]

Jan excellent post

[susan]

Lookout you have your own views and you are sticking to them well done

[Caroline]

I agree with Alias on this one. I don't know Jeremy , I have never met Jeremy - therefore I can not claim to be emotionally involved .

Both Alias and I both tend to look at documents for information .

And we are both still asking questions - which funnily enough certain people do not do - or if they do ask a question it is only because they have made up their minds what the answer is before they start a thread.

And lookout is passionate about the case. There are plenty of others who are as well , they just don't all come on this forum.

I asked a lot of questions when I first came here, I read all the documents and after doing so, I came to the conclusion that my thoughts on innocence were way of the mark. I still ask questions and not ALL of them are guilt centred.

As far as April is concerned, I think people are being completely unfair, she has never set out to upset anyone. She is one of the kindest and gracious people that I know. If she didn't set out to upset anyone - I don't understand why people are upset. Seems to me to be a misunderstanding - no need for drawn swords!!

[Alias]

Mad, and hellbent on carrying this on WELL beyond it's sell by date, Alias. I don't even know what you think is going to happen. So I said that I knew you wanted to be true what Mike said ie He had a picture/could prove/had evidence/Jeremy would be released as soon as. It appears I was wrong. Maybe you DON'T think Jeremy should be released!!!!! May the heavens pouR their wrath on me. May the earth open up and swallow me. Did ever a woman -or man- make SUCH an unforgivable mistake. May I NEVER be forgiven. Certainly NOT by you, it seems. Do you have ANY idea of HOW ridiculous this has become?

I have NO idea who are the "people" to whom you refer as thinking "you" believe everything Mike says. I haven't come across them So I'M not considering leaving because of them. You can choose to put this behind you and go forward OR you can choose to carry on trying to make a fight. SHOULD you choose the latter, I WON'T be joining in.

Thanks, that´s all I wanted. You were wrong. I never believed there was a picture and I had made that clear already.

[scipio_usmc]

I agree with Alias on this one. I don't know Jeremy , I have never met Jeremy - therefore I can not claim to be emotionally involved .

Both Alias and I both tend to look at documents for information .

And we are both still asking questions - which funnily enough certain people do not do - or if they do ask a question it is only because they have made up their minds what the answer is before they start a thread.

And lookout is passionate about the case. There are plenty of others who are as well , they just don't all come on this forum.

One doesn't have to know someone personally to become emotionally invested, you surely are emotionally invested in the case and biased in his favor.  Adam is emotionally invested and he doesn't know Jeremy or the victims.

It is hardly surprising that many people who are biased and emotionally invested don't want to admit it.  You would much rather delude yourself into thinking you are operating exclusively based on facts though such is clearly not the case.  Oddly enough lookout is one of the few willing to admit her emotional investment.  April admitting she used to be in that camp seems to cause problems for those still in the predicament she used to be in who recognize they are like she was but don't want to admit it.

Only people with an emotional attachment would have a problem with her changing her views and saying she had an epiphany.     

[lookout]

 Indeed I have Susan and I won't be moved. No way will I change my mind on a whim just because others have. I'm firmly stuck on my views-------------emotionless.

[Caroline]

Mad, and hellbent on carrying this on WELL beyond it's sell by date, Alias. I don't even know what you think is going to happen. So I said that I knew you wanted to be true what Mike said ie He had a picture/could prove/had evidence/Jeremy would be released as soon as. It appears I was wrong. Maybe you DON'T think Jeremy should be released!!!!! May the heavens pouR their wrath on me. May the earth open up and swallow me. Did ever a woman -or man- make SUCH an unforgivable mistake. May I NEVER be forgiven. Certainly NOT by you, it seems. Do you have ANY idea of HOW ridiculous this has become?

I have NO idea who are the "people" to whom you refer as thinking "you" believe everything Mike says. I haven't come across them So I'M not considering leaving because of them. You can choose to put this behind you and go forward OR you can choose to carry on trying to make a fight. SHOULD you choose the latter, I WON'T be joining in.

I guess it's the horse hair vest for you!! 

[Alias]

I asked a lot of questions when I first came here, I read all the documents and after doing so, I came to the conclusion that my thoughts on innocence were way of the mark. I still ask questions and not ALL of them are guilt centred.

As far as April is concerned, I think people are being completely unfair, she has never set out to upset anyone. She is one of the kindest and gracious people that I know. If she didn't set out to upset anyone - I don't understand why people are upset. Seems to me to be a misunderstanding - no need for drawn swords!!

I don´t see why it is neccessary to tell Lookout that April considers her emotional. What is that about? It has nothing to do with case discussion. It was rather out of the blue I think.