The main prosecution forensic case

[Caroline]

Well, with the wounds she sustained whilst still in  her bedroom, would it not have been impossible for her to have moved far from it. I could go with the idea that she got out of bed to go to Neville when he received the first shots -MAYBE even following him onto the landing as he went downstairs- but all the shots to June were at the front, and we know that her head touched her pillow at some stage because of the blood stains.

If there was blood outside the room, it could simply have got there from the killers feet, it was all over the floor in the bedrrom so hard not to stand in it.

[lookout]

You may be 70. But I was born 17th June just over 17 years ago.

You've got a lot to learn yet,Adam. 70 is no big deal anyway,to which I'm the " wrong side " of,but I reckon that I had the best years of my life so far as education and a career were concerned. No internet or up to date technology,but are we any further on ? Not in some things !
I've got the best of both worlds in that I lived and learned during the 40's,50's,60's,70's,80's,90's to date so my knowledge stretches further than yours ever will,unless you study those past years to bring you up to date to appreciate what you have now.

[Jane]

You may be 70. But I was born 17th June just over 17 years ago.

I guess we're as SERIOUSLY likely to believe that as we're SERIOUSLY likely to believe 90% of what you write...........................but we all love a joke.

[maggie]

Rather post nothing than post and be wrong like scipio. The trouble with scenarios they are really no better than guesses and what are you going to do if your scenario is found to be wrong? Just because someone is reluctant to post any scenario to satisfy your own curiosity does not mean that they are in any way wrong or do not have thoughts of their own. What it does say is rather that those people will not be drawn into your silly game of scenarios which by their very character cannot be entirely true as they ultimately spring from the mind of the scenario maker, even if they "profess" to be guided by so called "fact" which of course they are not. For if they were then you would not get a variety of scenarios. Let it be understood Adam that just because some will not do as you want them to do it in no way means that they are any less intelligent of imaginative than you are.

He's having fun Grahame  ............  Bless him 

[tyler]

1) The killer would have to have been by the door shooting to permit June to walk all the way around the bed.  If she moved to get up on Nevill's side then her blood could get there as she stood up.  Finding her blood just on Nevill's side but not dripping along the foot of the bed too that side would have to mean she went across the bed. But for the killer to shoot her right side in the manner it was done the killer need to be at the foot of the bed or on Nevill's side of the bed. Her left side was exposed to the door not her right side. To stay in bed until the killer and Nevill are gone, then get up and walk to Nevill's side and then to walk back to her side and collapse makes no sense at all.  The only way it would make sense to go to Nevill's side would be if he were injured there, the killer split to go reload and and she wanted to see how Nevill was then he took off after the killer and she tried to follow or go check on the boys of Sheila but she collapsed before she could make it out the door. 

2) Hayward's testimony was that the socks and 2 rug samples had the AK2-1 enzyme present in the blood stains and only June had such enzyme so it must have been her blood.   The socks look like men's socks to me but some women wear men's socks so who knows whether they belonged to her or Nevill.

The Killer,after shooting June whilst she were in bed,COULD have been distracted by having to chase Nevill downstairs,which woud have left June alone. She may have made her way around the bed for many reasons, such as she may,in her shocked state,have forgotten the bedroom phone was no longer there. There may have been a phone there that was removed prior to the murders. She may have been on her way to check on the twins. We can only speculate. She may have made her way back around the bed,back to her side of the bed when she heard the killer in the twins room and this is where she was 'finished off'. The blood drips around the bed support the fact that somebody who was injured moved around it. If,as you say,the blood on the socks was indeed Junes,then that would support the theory that June was there at some stage,would it not? Rather than to speculate that the socks were 'planted'? I have also read previously that June's blood was found underneath Sheila's body,but do not know if that is indeed true. As far as I'm concerned,there is enough evidence for me to conclude that June DID indeed move around the bed and back again. As for the blood found in the area of the landing (in two different area's I believe),I have never seen any evidence as to whose blood it was or indeed if it was ever even tested.

[Adam]

Tyler, I hope you have seen my 'uncomfortable question' and '26th February deadline' threads.

Feel free to describe in point by point detail how Sheila committed the massacre. You have said you believe Jeremy may be innocent.

The response was very disappointing. Only one poster submitted and then re submitted a summary. Even Jan declined. Automatically resulting in Jeremy losing virtually all his supporters in a 24 hour period.

I have of course described how Jeremy committed the massacre, point by point.

[Jan]

Tyler, I hope you have seen my 'uncomfortable question' and '26th February deadline' threads.

Feel free to describe in point by point detail how Sheila committed the massacre. You have said you believe Jeremy may be innocent.

The response was very disappointing. Only one poster submitted and then re submitted a summary. Even Jan declined. Automatically resulting in Jeremy losing virtually all his supporters in a 24 hour period.

[lookout]

Tyler, I hope you have seen my 'uncomfortable question' and '26th February deadline' threads.

Feel free to describe in point by point detail how Sheila committed the massacre. You have said you believe Jeremy may be innocent.

The response was very disappointing. Only one poster submitted and then re submitted a summary. Even Jan declined.
I have of course described how Jeremy committed the massacre, point by point.

 Automatically resulting in Jeremy losing virtually all his supporters in a 24 hour period. WHAT ?

[Alias]

 Automatically resulting in Jeremy losing virtually all his supporters in a 24 hour period. WHAT ?

He is just trying to wind people up. With some success. 

[Adam]

He is just trying to wind people up. With some success. 

Alias, at best you have to revert you're stance to guilty but it was an unfair trial. And campaign for a release on a technicality.

[lookout]

He is just trying to wind people up. With some success. 

I thought it was a joke. I'm too confident to be wound up,I'm afraid. My own thoughts far outweigh and surpass what he's got to say regarding Jeremy's guilt.

[tyler]

Tyler, I hope you have seen my 'uncomfortable question' and '26th February deadline' threads.

Feel free to describe in point by point detail how Sheila committed the massacre. You have said you believe Jeremy may be innocent.

The response was very disappointing. Only one poster submitted and then re submitted a summary. Even Jan declined. Automatically resulting in Jeremy losing virtually all his supporters in a 24 hour period.

I have of course described how Jeremy committed the massacre, point by point.

Unfortunately Adam I havent - sorry. I admit that I tend to skip most of your posts. I cannot describe how either Jeremy or Sheila committed the murders as fortunately I wasn't there. I can specualate on a scenario involving each of them,but admit to finding problems in both,hence I cannot decide conclusively which of them was responsible. Hope this answers your question.

[Mr. Gee]

You may be 70. But I was born 17th June just over 17 years ago.

17 and a quarter then?

[David1819]

Unfortunately Adam I havent - sorry. I admit that I tend to skip most of your posts. I cannot describe how either Jeremy or Sheila committed the murders as fortunately I wasn't there. I can specualate on a scenario involving each of them,but admit to finding problems in both,hence I cannot decide conclusively which of them was responsible. Hope this answers your question.

that's exactly my position in this.  :D the only pragmatic one if you ask me

[Adam]

that's exactly my position in this.  :D the only pragmatic one if you ask me

Is that why you submitted you're summary. Twice.