The main prosecution forensic case

[Mr. Gee]

The funniest thing about this is Neville hears gun shots. Then sees Sheila holding a gun by the twins. So of course runs downstairs....to ring Jeremy However a lot made me chuckle.

But as I said, at least you you made the effort. Twice. Everyone else bottling it as they know there is no plausible explanation. Jan claiming she destroyed my version, although she did not comment.

So why support Jeremy if supporters cannot explain how Sheila did it ?

Probably because all these assumptions about people "bottling it" are actually only in your head?

[Mr. Gee]

Cycle to WHF.

Get in quietly through the loose bathroom window.

Go upstairs with a loaded rifle. Silencer attached.

Shoot June several times while in bed. Shoot Neville several times.

Either go downstairs to re load, believing Neville and June are now incapacitated, and is followed by Neville. Or chase's a fleeing Neville downstairs.

Fight and brutally knock out an injured Neville in the kitchen.

Reload and shoot Neville four more times.

Return upstairs. Wake and get Sheila into the main bedroom. Or find Sheila already awake. Either way, she is shot.

Shoot June again who is now on the floor.

Reload and fire eight bullets into the sleeping twins.

Stage the scene and exit out of the kitchen window (14 sources).

Cycles back to the cottage.


Feel free to destroy.

Of course the only way that all this will work is if Sheila is asleep. Otherwise what was she doing whilst all this commotion going on?

[maggie]

Of course the only way that all this will work is if Sheila is asleep. Otherwise what was she doing whilst all this commotion going on?

There is no way of knowing if Sheila was asleep or awake, we can see that when the photos were taken it appeared neither of the beds in Sheila's room had been slept in although one showed signs of having been lain on at least for a minute.  That is all we know about Sheila's room.  We know Sheila as a PS may not have slept well at all, this is a definite and very common side effect of the condition.  We also know Sheila may have slept because of the Haldol but that doesn't always follow particularly in Sheila's case when her dose had been cut and she was nearing her next dose, we also know that she would have had a build up of the drug in her system.  At pm it was obviously found she still had Haldol in her system but we don't know how much, there was no other sedative detected.  The conclusion from that is, we just don't know the answer to whether she could have been awake or asleep imo.

[guest2181]

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No he hasn't Maggie.

[lookout]

There is no way of knowing if Sheila was asleep or awake, we can see that when the photos were taken it appeared neither of the beds in Sheila's room had been slept in although one showed signs of having been lain on at least for a minute.  That is all we know about Sheila's room.  We know Sheila as a PS may not have slept well at all, this is a definite and very common side effect of the condition.  We also know Sheila may have slept because of the Haldol but that doesn't always follow particularly in Sheila's case when her dose had been cut and she was nearing her next dose, we also know that she would have had a build up of the drug in her system.  At pm it was obviously found she still had Haldol in her system but we don't know how much, there was no other sedative detected.  The conclusion from that is, we just don't know the answer to whether she could have been awake or asleep imo.

Dependent on what time Neville was ready to go to bed,Sheila may possibly have sneaked into his place until he came up the stairs,Sheila sharing Bible readings with her mother,quite possibly from the verses which signified her thoughts at that time,Good and Evil. Wherever anyone happened to be,the Bible came into play. There were about 5 which had been placed in strategic areas of the farmhouse.

This would then have accounted Sheila's bed as not having been slept in. I think Neville would have perhaps showered in the meantime then made sure that everywhere was locked up and safe-------------------------then what ?
Well Neville would finally have gone upstairs,Sheila would then have moved from their bed and gone to lie on top of her own bed,obviously awake, or she'd have gone under the covers. Why didn't Sheila get into bed ? Where did she go when she got up,as she wouldn't have lain on top of the covers all night ?

[Adam]

Of course the only way that all this will work is if Sheila is asleep. Otherwise what was she doing whilst all this commotion going on?

Well my summary says Sheila was either awake or woken.

There is no reason why she should wake, thread already created.

However if she did wake, there is not much she could do.

June lay on the floor, dying or dead. Neville had been shot upstairs and brutally beaten and killed downstairs.

Sheila made no attempt to assist Neville downstairs. So a returning upstairs Jeremy just had to shoot a frozen and petrified Sheila. That is if she was wake.

[Caroline]

Dependent on what time Neville was ready to go to bed,Sheila may possibly have sneaked into his place until he came up the stairs,Sheila sharing Bible readings with her mother,quite possibly from the verses which signified her thoughts at that time,Good and Evil. Wherever anyone happened to be,the Bible came into play. There were about 5 which had been placed in strategic areas of the farmhouse.

This would then have accounted Sheila's bed as not having been slept in. I think Neville would have perhaps showered in the meantime then made sure that everywhere was locked up and safe-------------------------then what ?
Well Neville would finally have gone upstairs,Sheila would then have moved from their bed and gone to lie on top of her own bed,obviously awake, or she'd have gone under the covers. Why didn't Sheila get into bed ? Where did she go when she got up,as she wouldn't have lain on top of the covers all night ?

How do you know that?

[Mr. Gee]

I have thought that a possibility, she may have sat on the bed and leant over the gun, fallen off the bed after first shot and come round on the floor at the side of the bed which may account for the blood which soaked into the arm of her night dress as she would have fallen face down. Although befuddled in most ways clear headed about what she wanted to do (this happens when in shock) she shot herself again either climbing back onto the bed first or sitting and leaning against the cabinet, no mistakes the second time.
Am sure Scorpio will rip this to bits, but what does he know?

It doesn'r matter if he does Maggie, because all you have to do is change one element from Sheila sleeping to her being active and the whole scenario (guesswork) falls down anyway.

[Mr. Gee]

Well my summary says Sheila was either awake or woken.

There is no reason why she should wake, thread already created.

However if she did wake, there is not much she could do.

June lay on the floor, dying or dead. Neville had been shot upstairs and brutally beaten and killed downstairs.

Sheila made no attempt to assist Neville downstairs. So a returning upstairs Jeremy just had to shoot a frozen and petrified Sheila. That is if she was wake.

So in other words she didn't try and wake her children or do anything to try and save them?

ps: I see we have moved away from a totally drugged up Sheila to a petrified and frozen Sheila.

[Mr. Gee]

How do you know that?

Exactly Caroline it is just a guess as are both scipio's and Adams scenario's. The only difference is that they both count their scenarios af fact.

[Alias]

There is the obvious, where was Sheila?
But also (for me) the blood pattern on her nightgown and lower right arm, which indicate that she was conscious after the first shot and that there was a span of time between the two shots.

Those are not explained and are largely ignored. The two shots could not have been in quick succession as I saw one suggest.

[Mr. Gee]

There is the obvious, where was Sheila?
But also (for me) the blood pattern on her nightgown and lower right arm, which indicate that she was conscious after the first shot and that there was a span of time between the two shots.

Those are not explained and are largely ignored. The two shots could not have been in quick succession as I saw one suggest.

We Adam is always asking "where was Sheila". So he has the same question to answer. Do you believe in a frozen petrified Sheila, Alias?

[Caroline]

Exactly Caroline it is just a guess as are both scipio's and Adams scenario's. The only difference is that they both count their scenarios af fact.

Hi Grahame, I don't treat anything as 'fact' now unless I dee some reference to the original investigation. I think we have all been caught out too many times to take things at face value - on 'both' sides.

[Alias]

We Adam is always asking "where was Sheila". So he has the same question to answer. Do you believe in a frozen petrified Sheila, Alias?

She couoldn´t have been frozen if she moved into the bedroom on her own - and that is the only way I can picture her being there in the first place; not "led", not "carried, sleeping" (!)

[Mr. Gee]

Hi Grahame, I don't treat anything as 'fact' now unless I dee some reference to the original investigation. I think we have all been caught out too many times to take things at face value - on 'both' sides.

Yes Caroline you and I both. It is just a pity that there are those who like to call their particular scenarios "fact". I mean, the other staircase has been mentioned and yet it had not been considered in any of their scenarios. They hadn't even bothered to find out about it let alone include it in their scenarios. Yet it could have played a vital role, we just don't know?