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[Caroline]

I've always said he was intelligent----------but not clever. Also I've described him as being gormless too,which he most likely was at not being sharp enough to notice that his relatives disliked him intensely or would one day gang up on him. He took everyone at face value in other words.

Jeremy was showing the confidence that he DIDN'T do it,hence his arrogant remark to the officer by telling him that it was " for him to find out ". Something which my own brother would have said.

He said that in court. Fair enough - I don't agree and I don't understand your reasoning and I obviously think quite the reverse.

[lookout]

He said that in court. Fair enough - I don't agree and I don't understand your reasoning and I obviously think quite the reverse.

That's fine. It's healthy to have opposing views.

[lookout]

 I have great admiration for those who " stick to their guns " ( sorry,pun ) such as Jeremy has done.It shows courage and determination in seeking the truth,in which there can't be anything wrong in that.

[Caroline]

I have great admiration for those who " stick to their guns " ( sorry,pun ) such as Jeremy has done.It shows courage and determination in seeking the truth,in which there can't be anything wrong in that.

And that's the most important thing - whatever that might be. I imagine that even those believing in innocence don't want a guilty man released?

[Jane]

C,mon April,my choice of weapon would have been a bit easier to have handled as well as more powerful instead of leaving the mess which was a bloodbath by using a .22 for killing rats and rabbits. I'd have taken more care by not ramming rounds of bullets into someone. The way those murders were carried out was horrendous.
Even police/vets use care when shooting a mad dog,or putting a horse down. This WHF killing was madness personified.

I'm NOT being perverse in any way just because I don't agree with any of the views of others. What a strange mind you have ?
I just firmly believe that Jeremy is innocent and I certainly don't see anything wrong in that ? Thank God I'm a level-headed person is all I can say.

Lookout, I've looked back at what I said. It seems that you misunderstood me. NOWHERE did I say that YOU were perverse. NOWHERE in the offending sentence did I refer to "you".

You seem to have much more than a working knowledge than I of firearms, my ONLY knowledge being that if it's capable of firing bullets into people/animals, it kills. Its' efficiency or otherwise is beyond me.

[lookout]

Lookout, I've looked back at what I said. It seems that you misunderstood me. NOWHERE did I say that YOU were perverse. NOWHERE in the offending sentence did I refer to "you".

You seem to have much more than a working knowledge than I of firearms, my ONLY knowledge being that if it's capable of firing bullets into people/animals, it kills. Its' efficiency or otherwise is beyond me.

Bit of a difference in a handgun and a .22 rifle I feel. The rifle was used by someone who WASN'T used to handling them,particularly when it came to shooting humans.
This is what I have a HUGE problem with.

[Alias]

Lookout, I've looked back at what I said. It seems that you misunderstood me. NOWHERE did I say that YOU were perverse. NOWHERE in the offending sentence did I refer to "you".

You seem to have much more than a working knowledge than I of firearms, my ONLY knowledge being that if it's capable of firing bullets into people/animals, it kills. Its' efficiency or otherwise is beyond me.

To whom were you referring then?  Just curious.

[Caroline]

To whom were you referring then?  Just curious.

I don't think April was referring to anyone in particulat, I read it as  the 'idea' of holding on to one's own view simply for the sake of it (or not wanting to admit to being wrong)  is  'perverse'. So it could be applied to 'anyone'

[Mr. Gee]

He said that in court. Fair enough - I don't agree and I don't understand your reasoning and I obviously think quite the reverse.

Or of course he knew they didn't have a case against him and therefore trusted in British justice. But didn't account for Mugford's lies, or a fake silencer.

[Jane]

I don't think April was referring to anyone in particulat, I read it as  the 'idea' of holding on to one's own view simply for the sake of it (or not wanting to admit to being wrong)  is  'perverse'. So it could be applied to 'anyone'

Thank-you, Caroline

[Alias]

I don't think April was referring to anyone in particulat, I read it as  the 'idea' of holding on to one's own view simply for the sake of it (or not wanting to admit to being wrong)  is  'perverse'. So it could be applied to 'anyone'

It wasn´t clear from the post. I thought she was calling Lookout "perverse". So did Lookout it seems.
But now that´s cleared up....

[Caroline]

Or of course he knew they didn't have a case against him and therefore trusted in British justice. But didn't account for Mugford's lies, or a fake silencer.

Oh he knew they faked the silencer because he didn't use it and Mugford might be made to look like an idiot because he fed her red herrings. He did indeed trust in British Justice - he trusted that he was clever enough to manipulate it - he wasn't!

[Mr. Gee]

Thank-you, Caroline

So why else would you say this if it wasn't pointed to lookout? some mysterious "phantom"?

I would NEVER expect anyone to change their views JUST to follow everyone else's line of thought.............................but I WOULD view holding on to one's own view as perverse if it's done out of refusal to acknowledge that there could be some truth in the views of others.

For lookout has been accused of this before by some.

[Mr. Gee]

Oh he knew they faked the silencer because he didn't use it and Mugford might be made to look like an idiot because he fed her red herrings. He did indeed trust in British Justice - he trusted that he was clever enough to manipulate it - he wasn't!

He trusted that false evidence should not be allowed into court. He trusted that the lies of Mugford would  be seen for what they were. But he didn't bank of 10 gullible jurers either.

[Caroline]

So why else would you say this if it wasn't pointed to lookout? some mysterious "phantom"? For lookout has been accused of this before by some.

Why is April suddenly everyone's punch bag? This getting silly!!