Bambers Application for Prerogative of Pardon 2005

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio he may have said that but I never saw it.  Loved the bit about the Atheist now that is what I call boxing clever

I think you as a Lawyer will look at the case without any emotion and objectively but such as myself I do struggle to fit the bits together but in saying that I find it easier to believe Jeremy is the guilty one not Sheila I could be wrong of course.

Lawyers have biases too.  A lawyer is trained how to look up law and use it.  That doesn't mean lawyers always do so objectively or properly and when paid we especially are acting in a biased fashion.

I'm not being paid to defend anyone in this case, I don't know Jeremy from a hole in the wall and have no bias for or against the British government.  I am looking at it solely based on what evidence can be brought to bear and what makes sense based thereupon.

I laid out the evidence that convicted him and it is a rational well supported case.  Unless someone can rebut that evidence there simply is nothing to suggest to me he is innocent.  Looking at the evidence of the order of the shots etc it is clear that Nevill didn't call Jeremy and this is a huge problem for the defense to try to overcome.  The evidence proving Sheila didn't shoot herself or anyone else is an even bigger hurdle to overcome. Ignoring those hurdles doesn't make them go away.

   

[susan]

Scipio I understand and appreciate where you are coming from.  Thank goodness you will not find it necessary to pm Adam before the deadline.

[Mr. Gee]

Scipio he may have said that but I never saw it.  Loved the bit about the Atheist now that is what I call boxing clever

I think you as a Lawyer will look at the case without any emotion and objectively but such as myself I do struggle to fit the bits together but in saying that I find it easier to believe Jeremy is the guilty one not Sheila I could be wrong of course.

I'm afraid all that scipio has succeeded in doing but has very cleverly hidden it in an array of words about his "objectivity" is to reveal his own bias and prejudice. My misgivings concerning Mugfords evidence is a very valid one and the fact that the defence could not cross examine her because she kept shedding floods of tears indicates that her testimony was made up. The second objection that her testimony was a tissue of lies is also a valid one. The fact that no one was present when these supposed confessions to her from Bamber were supposed to have taken place. To suggest that she must be telling the truth because the story is very detailed abd that Jeremy must have told her about the hit man just doesn't cut it with me.

[susan]

Mr Gee I have never been comfortable with Miss Julie and her evidence none of it rings true but I cannot prove she is not telling the truth and I think maybe at sometime somebody will prove it and I wonder where all this will end up.

[Adam]

I'm afraid all that scipio has succeeded in doing but has very cleverly hidden it in an array of words about his "objectivity" is to reveal his own bias and prejudice. My misgivings concerning Mugfords evidence is a very valid one and the fact that the defence could not cross examine her because she kept shedding floods of tears indicates that her testimony was made up. The second objection that her testimony was a tissue of lies is also a valid one. The fact that no one was present when these supposed confessions to her from Bamber were supposed to have taken place. To suggest that she must be telling the truth because the story is very detailed abd that Jeremy must have told her about the hit man just doesn't cut it with me.

A lot of what she said is backed up by other people.

[lookout]

I'm afraid all that scipio has succeeded in doing but has very cleverly hidden it in an array of words about his "objectivity" is to reveal his own bias and prejudice. My misgivings concerning Mugfords evidence is a very valid one and the fact that the defence could not cross examine her because she kept shedding floods of tears indicates that her testimony was made up. The second objection that her testimony was a tissue of lies is also a valid one. The fact that no one was present when these supposed confessions to her from Bamber were supposed to have taken place. To suggest that she must be telling the truth because the story is very detailed abd that Jeremy must have told her about the hit man just doesn't cut it with me.

Good post Mr G and a very feasible one.

[Jan]

I'm afraid all that scipio has succeeded in doing but has very cleverly hidden it in an array of words about his "objectivity" is to reveal his own bias and prejudice. My misgivings concerning Mugfords evidence is a very valid one and the fact that the defence could not cross examine her because she kept shedding floods of tears indicates that her testimony was made up. The second objection that her testimony was a tissue of lies is also a valid one. The fact that no one was present when these supposed confessions to her from Bamber were supposed to have taken place. To suggest that she must be telling the truth because the story is very detailed abd that Jeremy must have told her about the hit man just doesn't cut it with me.

I often wonder if
1) EP set her up to Spy on JB and he just spun her a yarn
2) they thought there was a hitman and EP themselves fed the info to fit the crime

[Alias]

I often wonder if
1) EP set her up to Spy on JB and he just spun her a yarn
2) they thought there was a hitman and EP themselves fed the info to fit the crime

I have often wondered if Jeremy had a helper and that is why the hitman entered into the narrative - because he was real.

[David1819]

I have often wondered if Jeremy had a helper and that is why the hitman entered into the narrative - because he was real.

I doubt it.... who would go along with that? Only Julie can tell us where the Hitman story came from and I think its her imagination or Jeremy joking

[Caroline]

I often wonder if
1) EP set her up to Spy on JB and he just spun her a yarn
2) they thought there was a hitman and EP themselves fed the info to fit the crime

Or Jeremy just told her that so she would be discredited if she blabbed.

[David1819]

Or Jeremy just told her that so she would be discredited if she blabbed.

If that was his intention he would not have told her anything at all

[guest154]

Or Jeremy just told her that so she would be discredited if she blabbed.

This is what I believe too, lots of truth with some BS mixed in as a backup. Either that or  he told her about MM so that he could tell her it wasn't who, but he knew about it.

[Caroline]

If that was his intention he would not have told her anything at all

You can't keep something like that to yourself for a year.

[Caroline]

This is what I believe too, lots of truth with some BS mixed in as a backup. Either that or  he told her about MM so that he could tell her it wasn't who, but he knew about it.

Like he said 'always tell the truth where possible'.

[Alias]

Like he said 'always tell the truth where possible'.

Everyone can come up with that - I did when I was nine.