Human blood in the silencer:

[Adam]

nothing is straight forward

The possibility of a mixture of June and Neville's blood. Interesting.

How an earth did their blood get into the silencer ? Oh yes the relatives.

[Adam]

Maybe those women had a bit more insight than the others, Adm.  Just because they saw things differently doesn't mean they are stupid or that they were overwhelmed by his pretty face.

A bit less insight you mean
 
When the evidence shows you can only vote one way. You vote that way.

[Jane]

Claims of the public handling evidence only help when the evidence is of a type that can result from contamination.  If it is simple DNA evidence that can be transferred it is one thing.  We are talking about evidence that merely establishes someone was murdered as opposed to killing herself.  That alone doesn't establish who killed her.  The blood in the moderator could not have gotten there from innocent contamination so the whole argument that the public contaminated it doesn't work.  Planting it would require far too much knowledge and effort than the family was capable of including them not having access to remove her blood from the rifle.  The effort required to plant the evidence is substantial and requires proof, just an allegation it happened means nothing.

The evidence that Sheila was murdered is just half the puzzle the other half is who did commit the murders and that case was made by Jeremy himself and Julie.

 

Sorry Scipio. I have to pull you up one one point you make. Someone on the television has just said that by age 8 he could name and strip down 12 different guns. Peter Eton, to the best of my knowledge was a gun dealer.

[David1819]

The possibility of a mixture of June and Neville's blood. Interesting.

How an earth did their blood get into the silencer ? Oh yes the relatives.

http://www.forensic-science.co.uk/bamber5.html

The DNA was not blood based as Mark Webster testified.

How could DNA have got in the silencer?

Silencers are designed to be taken apart, they must be cleaned to remove soot, The youtube link below demonstrates

http://youtu.be/C9UwBsynZ3M?t=21s

1. Neville could have taken it apart to clean it at some stage

2. The boultflours took the silencer apart themselves.  The day they collected blood stained clothing from WHF I might add.

[Adam]

http://www.forensic-science.co.uk/bamber5.html

The DNA was not blood based as Mark Webster testified.

How could DNA have got in the silencer?

Silencers are designed to be taken apart, they must be cleaned to remove soot, The youtube link below demonstrates

http://youtu.be/C9UwBsynZ3M?t=21s

1. Neville could have taken it apart to clean it at some stage

2. The boultflours took the silencer apart themselves.  The day they collected blood stained clothing from WHF I might add.

Do you think the relatives framed Jeremy with the silencer.

So they could sit around their dining table going 'ha ha ha ha....ha ha ha ha ha... ha ha ha ha'. Counting their newly acquired money. While Jeremy rotted in prison ?

[Alias]

Do you think the relatives framed Jeremy with the silencer.

So they could sit around their dining table going 'ha ha ha ha....ha ha ha ha ha... ha ha ha ha'. Counting their newly acquired money. While Jeremy rotted in prison ?

That was an odd post. Seeking attention? Well, I gave you some.

[Jan]

So I have found documents that say the tests were done on one single flake of blood . That is all

So as we are all so unbiased - lets consider JB is innocent

What could have happened

1) There was no test to establish it was back splatter - documented
2) There was one single flake - tested - documented
3) It could have been contaminated by the family
4) it could have been contaminated at the lab
5) it was never human blood.
6) the blood flake was not tested correctly.
7)the tests were misinterpreted
the tests were done after a firing of the rifle and the blood was pushed into the silencer whilst in the lab


Let me make it clear I am not saying any of the above did happen - but keep this in mind because in the future this may have to be explained if it is proven that JB is innocent

[David1819]

Do you think the relatives framed Jeremy with the silencer.

So they could sit around their dining table going 'ha ha ha ha....ha ha ha ha ha... ha ha ha ha'. Counting their newly acquired money. While Jeremy rotted in prison ?

In regards to your question. If Jeremy is innocent my view is -

I very much doubt they deliberately framed him knowing he was innocent Thou Its not impossible

Put it this way its far less evil beyond belief than what Jeremy has been accused of. If you believe Jeremy can blast his entire family away frame his psychotic sister act sad at the funeral write "love uncle Jeremy x" on the twins coffins, Then go on holiday going ha ha ha ha ha....ha ha ha ha  counting the same money that is far more crazy evil and bizzare than his relatives framing him for money.

I believe they decided Shelia could not have done it then as they kept thinking along those lines convinced themselves Jeremy done it and as a result convinced the police aswell.

Put It this way if Jeremy was the psychotic one and the twins where his while Shelia lived in the cottage down the village, Then they are all found dead one morning Jeremy lying their with the rifle on his chest totally lifeless would Shelia ever be suspected? I doubt it,  Allot of gender sterotyping influenced peoples decisions.

[lookout]

 The " something up his sleeve " scenario was written by AE in her notes.It was said during Jeremy's first arrest when he was applying for bail in 1985 when suddenly the silencer came into play after being handed in,in September. The rellies must have been hopping mad at that point and not happy bunnies at all.

Now prior to all this,the police would have admitted that they had nothing on Jeremy at all. Relatives became tetchy and uneasy,so to use a bloodied silencer would be the answer to their prayers. I wouldn't have put it past any of them to have found out what Sheila's blood group was,as afterall,that's all they needed in which for EP to make a conviction,Sheila's blood on the silencer------------except that it wasn't Sheila's,it would be RWB's who was of the same group. Job done.

How did RWB cut his finger ?

[maggie]

A bit less insight you mean
 
When the evidence shows you can only vote one way. You vote that way.

Is that a fact?

[Adam]

So I have found documents that say the tests were done on one single flake of blood . That is all

So as we are all so unbiased - lets consider JB is innocent

What could have happened

1) There was no test to establish it was back splatter - documented
2) There was one single flake - tested - documented
3) It could have been contaminated by the family
4) it could have been contaminated at the lab
5) it was never human blood.
6) the blood flake was not tested correctly.
7)the tests were misinterpreted
the tests were done after a firing of the rifle and the blood was pushed into the silencer whilst in the lab


Let me make it clear I am not saying any of the above did happen - but keep this in mind because in the future this may have to be explained if it is proven that JB is innocent

A lot of wishful thinking.

Just before DNA became common, they would surely be able to determine between the human and animal blood. 

The rifle was fired and then the blood tests were done ? This must be something a 17 year old wouldn't understand ?

[Adam]

Is that a fact?

Obviously not a fact as it didn't happen.

[lookout]

The " something up his sleeve " scenario was written by AE in her notes.It was said during Jeremy's first arrest when he was applying for bail in 1985 when suddenly the silencer came into play after being handed in,in September. The rellies must have been hopping mad at that point and not happy bunnies at all.

Now prior to all this,the police would have admitted that they had nothing on Jeremy at all. Relatives became tetchy and uneasy,so to use a bloodied silencer would be the answer to their prayers. I wouldn't have put it past any of them to have found out what Sheila's blood group was,as afterall,that's all they needed in which for EP to make a conviction,Sheila's blood on the silencer------------except that it wasn't Sheila's,it would be RWB's who was of the same group. Job done.

How did RWB cut his finger ?

I bet there was smoke coming from AE's pen when Jeremy was allowed bail. 

[Adam]

In regards to your question. If Jeremy is innocent my view is -

I very much doubt they deliberately framed him knowing he was innocent Thou Its not impossible

Put it this way its far less evil beyond belief than what Jeremy has been accused of. If you believe Jeremy can blast his entire family away frame his psychotic sister act sad at the funeral write "love uncle Jeremy x" on the twins coffins, Then go on holiday going ha ha ha ha ha....ha ha ha ha  counting the same money that is far more crazy evil and bizzare than his relatives framing him for money.

I believe they decided Shelia could not have done it then as they kept thinking along those lines convinced themselves Jeremy done it and as a result convinced the police aswell.

Put It this way if Jeremy was the psychotic one and the twins where his while Shelia lived in the cottage down the village, Then they are all found dead one morning Jeremy lying their with the rifle on his chest totally lifeless would Shelia ever be suspected? I doubt it,  Allot of gender sterotyping influenced peoples decisions.

Jeremy going on lots of jolly ups after the funeral is what inheritance killers do. Perhaps not straight away like Jeremy did.

They decided Sheila didn't do it from looking at the evidence,  so there was only suspect. Although Jeremy later said Neville may have said 'she' to him !

[Jan]

A lot of wishful thinking.

Just before DNA became common, they would surely be able to determine between the human and animal blood. 

The rifle was fired and then the blood tests were done ? This must be something a 17 year old wouldn't understand ?

They did test the gun with the moderator on - so if there was blood in the rifle would it have been pushed through?

I have shown you a document that says there was animal blood apparently on the outside of the silencer 

I have shown a document where a blood expert said he could not 100% say the tests did not show animal blood.

If you read my post - it is not wishful thinking I am just saying if he is innocent then surely it must be one of the above -

oh one more - highly unlikely but still possible - it was a mixture of blood - and Sheila did use the silencer and then put it away . As I say unlikely but not impossible.