Human blood in the silencer:

[Adam]

I didn't say that she did know what a silencer was,nor did I mention her looking for accessories ? I said that her focus would have been on the gun cupboard,probably baffled by its contents and the " tube " would have been a silencer to us,but not her.

I thought Sheila saw Jeremy leave the rifle in the kitchen. Why would she need to go to the gun cupboard ?

[lookout]

If Jeremy believed the silencer blood was not Sheila's, then whose 'human blood' was it ?

Oh yes, he says the relatives framed him. But has no proof.

Jeremy had said at first that the police shot the family.If he had thoughts on framing Sheila,wouldn't he have said it was her doing ?
Jeremy didn't know what to think because he knew,and still knows in his heart that it wasn't him.

Where's the relatives proof that it was Jeremy ? Do they have any,besides hearsay ? No,they don't.

[Adam]

Jeremy had said at first that the police shot the family.If he had thoughts on framing Sheila,wouldn't he have said it was her doing ?
Jeremy didn't know what to think because he knew,and still knows in his heart that it wasn't him.

Where's the relatives proof that it was Jeremy ? Do they have any,besides hearsay ? No,they don't.

Bamber spent all night insinuating Sheila to the police.

After the raid team entered he acted upset and said 'those men with guns did it'. He also continued insinuating Sheila. Saying she had committed child abuse on the twins.

The relatives do not need to provide proof. The police do. And they did.

Anyway. Whose 'human blood' was in the silencer if it was not Sheila's.

[lookout]

I thought Sheila saw Jeremy leave the rifle in the kitchen. Why would she need to go to the gun cupboard ?

Because for all any of us know,Neville could have put it there. As he usually did.

[scipio_usmc]

What wouldn't make sense in that scenario is that Jeremy said the rifle had no silencer on it when he played around with it earlier - Sheila would have had to; not only load a rifle she had never seen, but also go and look for a silencer she didn't know existed. 

Jeremy screwed himself in part with the lie that he found the gun without the moderator and left it out that way.  He said that so they would not think the moderator was used and didn't think they would ever find out it was used.  Upon finding out that it was used though his lie ends up hurting the suggestion he was making of Sheila simply grabbing the gun from the kitchen table/settle and running amuck with it. The lie requires her to have gone to the closet to get a moderator she didn't know about as you point out but also would not care about if she were in the throws of delusions. 

Someone wanting to kill people in their sleep would attach a moderator not someone having a mental episode. 

The whole theory of the crime is disjointed.  On one hand you have Sheila being crazy and having a crazy episode to kill everyone.  On the other you have someone depressed who decided to commit murder suicide.  They don't mesh this is actually 2 different theories posited and the first doesn't account for her suicide.   Saying she was going crazy doesn't help his cause because it inhibits his attorneys from suggesting she carried out a well calculated plan.  That is obviously how it went down the killer planned it out. The killer wore gloves and Jeremy supporters allege Sheila washed up etc. which if true would be suggestive of planning with intent to escape liability not an intention to commit murder suicide and certainly not her just going into a crazy rage.   



 

[scipio_usmc]

Because for all any of us know,Neville could have put it there. As he usually did.

1) If he put it away he would have unloaded the magazine. Leaving it loaded not only would make it easier for the kids to use it, it weakens the spring in the magazine to leave it loaded.  She would have took her own bullet supply to load the gun with and thus the bullets in the kitchen by the phone would not have been touched and would have had around 40 rounds there because it was allegedly a full box less 10 rounds Jeremy loaded into the magazine.

2) If he had put it away that harms Jeremy's desired narrative of her finding a weapon of opportunity and requires her to go to the closet to get it though she had no interest in guns and would instinctively go for her weapon of choice the frying pan.

3) Why would they leave the bullets by the phone if they put away the gun and magazine?

[Alias]

Jeremy screwed himself in part with the lie that he found the gun without the moderator and left it out that way.  He said that so they would not think the moderator was used and didn't think they would ever find out it was used.  Upon finding out that it was used though his lie ends up hurting the suggestion he was making of Sheila simply grabbing the gun from the kitchen table/settle and running amuck with it. The lie requires her to have gone to the closet to get a moderator she didn't know about as you point out but also would not care about if she were in the throws of delusions. 

Someone wanting to kill people in their sleep would attach a moderator not someone having a mental episode. 

The whole theory of the crime is disjointed.  On one hand you have Sheila being crazy and having a crazy episode to kill everyone.  On the other you have someone depressed who decided to commit murder suicide.  They don't mesh this is actually 2 different theories posited and the first doesn't account for her suicide.   Saying she was going crazy doesn't help his cause because it inhibits his attorneys from suggesting she carried out a well calculated plan.  That is obviously how it went down the killer planned it out. The killer wore gloves and Jeremy supporters allege Sheila washed up etc. which if true would be suggestive of planning with intent to escape liability not an intention to commit murder suicide and certainly not her just going into a crazy rage.   



 

Not neccessarily. Often Schizophrenics who have urges to kill do plan their attacks - sometimes over years. Mostly, when Schizophrenics kill, they kill family members, they are their main targets.
There often is a method to the madness, a warped logic.

"Who is at risk?

When a person with schizophrenia becomes violent the victim is usually someone from their own family or someone else close to them such as a carer. Attacks against strangers are extremely rare. When the attacker is female they will almost invariably attack their own children."

http://www.livingwithschizophreniauk.org/advice-sheets/schizophrenia-and-dangerous-behaviour/

[Alias]

1) If he put it away he would have unloaded the magazine. Leaving it loaded not only would make it easier for the kids to use it, it weakens the spring in the magazine to leave it loaded.  She would have took her own bullet supply to load the gun with and thus the bullets in the kitchen by the phone would not have been touched and would have had around 40 rounds there because it was allegedly a full box less 10 rounds Jeremy loaded into the magazine.

2) If he had put it away that harms Jeremy's desired narrative of her finding a weapon of opportunity and requires her to go to the closet to get it though she had no interest in guns and would instinctively go for her weapon of choice the frying pan.

3) Why would they leave the bullets by the phone if they put away the gun and magazine?

The house looked rather untidy all in all. That kitchen counter was cluttered.

[lookout]

Again,I can't see the bullets having been left where they were either.

[Adam]

Not neccessarily. Often Schizophrenics who have urges to kill do plan their attacks - sometimes over years. Mostly, when Schizophrenics kill, they kill family members, they are their main targets.
There often is a meaning to the madness, a warped logic.

"Who is at risk?

When a person with schizophrenia becomes violent the victim is usually someone from their own family or someone else close to them such as a carer. Attacks against strangers are extremely rare. When the attacker is female they will almost invariably attack their own children."

http://www.livingwithschizophreniauk.org/advice-sheets/schizophrenia-and-dangerous-behaviour/

Sticking to the facts, whose 'human' gun shot back splattered blood do you think was in the silencer ?

Experts at court said it was Sheila's with a remote possibility of it being a mixture of Neville's/June's. Jeremy refutes this but has not proved otherwise.

The fact is there was'human blood' in the silencer. There is no proof of deliberate contamination by the relatives or police.

So going by the facts, not theories, whose blood was it ?

[David1819]

Sticking to the facts, whose 'human' gun shot back splattered blood do you think was in the silencer ?

Experts at court said it was Sheila's with a remote possibility of it being a mixture of Neville's/June's. Jeremy refutes this but has not proved otherwise.

The fact is there was'human blood' in the silencer. There is no proof of deliberate contamination by the relatives or police.

So going by the facts, not theories, whose blood was it ?

The Forensic Science Service (FSS) could not establish if the DNA was blood based

http://www.forensic-science.co.uk/bamber5.html

Overall the silencer is not going to solve anything its very possible Jeremy could have committed the murders without it. Hence why he keeps wanting it tested.

The silencer does not seem to prove guilt or innocence. Thou in a legal sense a pillar of the prosecution case will have collapsed.

[Steve_uk]

Jeremy screwed himself in part with the lie that he found the gun without the moderator and left it out that way.  He said that so they would not think the moderator was used and didn't think they would ever find out it was used.  Upon finding out that it was used though his lie ends up hurting the suggestion he was making of Sheila simply grabbing the gun from the kitchen table/settle and running amuck with it. The lie requires her to have gone to the closet to get a moderator she didn't know about as you point out but also would not care about if she were in the throws of delusions. 

Someone wanting to kill people in their sleep would attach a moderator not someone having a mental episode. 

The whole theory of the crime is disjointed.  On one hand you have Sheila being crazy and having a crazy episode to kill everyone.  On the other you have someone depressed who decided to commit murder suicide.  They don't mesh this is actually 2 different theories posited and the first doesn't account for her suicide.   Saying she was going crazy doesn't help his cause because it inhibits his attorneys from suggesting she carried out a well calculated plan.  That is obviously how it went down the killer planned it out. The killer wore gloves and Jeremy supporters allege Sheila washed up etc. which if true would be suggestive of planning with intent to escape liability not an intention to commit murder suicide and certainly not her just going into a crazy rage.   



 

Sometimes suicide victims do engage in ritualistic washing before they commit that act. As for the silencer,why not just dispose of it in one of the fields he was supposed to have traversed,instead of leaving it bloodied in a place which was bound to be searched? Were the murders just a cruel game to him and the silencer just one more clue to drop for the relatives when they discovered Macavity wasn't there..

[David1819]

Sometimes suicide victims do engage in ritualistic washing before they commit that act. As for the silencer,why not just dispose of it in one of the fields he was supposed to have traversed,instead of leaving it bloodied in a place which was bound to be searched? Were the murders just a cruel game to him and the silencer just one more clue to drop for the relatives when they discovered Macavity wasn't there..

If you read Boutflour's statement he found all three silencers and the scope neatly packed in the manufactures boxes and wrapped up in a bag.

It does not really add up in my view

[Caroline]

The Forensic Science Service (FSS) could not establish if the DNA was blood based

http://www.forensic-science.co.uk/bamber5.html

Overall the silencer is not going to solve anything its very possible Jeremy could have committed the murders without it. Hence why he keeps wanting it tested.

The silencer does not seem to prove guilt or innocence. Thou in a legal sense a pillar of the prosecution case will have collapsed.

AT LAST!! An ally! 

[scipio_usmc]

The Forensic Science Service (FSS) could not establish if the DNA was blood based

http://www.forensic-science.co.uk/bamber5.html

Overall the silencer is not going to solve anything its very possible Jeremy could have committed the murders without it. Hence why he keeps wanting it tested.

The silencer does not seem to prove guilt or innocence. Thou in a legal sense a pillar of the prosecution case will have collapsed.

Once again you ignore the facts after being spoon-fed with the correct information the last time you made this claim.

There was no DNA used at trial.  Serology was used at trial, the blood in the moderator was group A human blood and a flake of this blood that was stuck between baffles 1 and 2 had an enzyme exclusive to Sheila so that both the crime lab experts and the defense's own blood expert said it could not have come from any individual except Sheila.

The depositing of the blood on the first 8 baffles is consistent with drawback.  Sheila's fatal wound was determined to be virtually certain to result in drawback so her blood would have been found in the rifle if the moderator had not been attached when she was shot.

Her blood wasn't in the rifle but was in the moderator and thus establishes the moderator was used to shoot Sheila.

The DNA tests done in 2000 doesn't affect the above.  The only DNA tests that could affect the above would be DNA tests of the blood removed 1985 and 1986 by the lab and defense expert Lincoln. But that blood was not DNA tested so there are no DNA tests to reference.