Human blood in the silencer:

[Adam]

I trust that in 1985, technology was advanced enough for scientists to determine between human and animal blood.

DNA was to become common later in the decade so surely it was easy enough to make this distinction in 1985. Experts at court were even able to state whose blood it was - Sheila's, with a remote possibilities of it being a mixture of Neville's & June's, which the 'Campaign for Freedom' team has disputed.

It was a new rifle, and doubtful anyone would be able to give a rabbit a contact shot. Jeremy said he went outside to shoot them without the silencer on, but they had all gone.

Regardless of whose blood it was, how did the silencer end up with gun shot human blood back splatter ?

Did someone give themselves a contact shot accidentally prior to the massacre, creating the blood splatter effect ? A bit careless and I thought the gun was too long to shoot yourself.

Or did Ann Eaton give Robert Boutflour a contact shot prior to giving the silencer to the police. Taking a huge and optimistic risk that someone else's blood will convict Jeremy. But then how did experts say the blood was Sheila's or Neville/June's ?

Perhaps Sheila shot everyone else with the silencer on. Then put it away in a box and underneath other boxes, dartboards and other guns. That would also mean she put the silencer on the rifle beforehand, as the rifle was left in the kitchen without it attached.  The judge said this action 'would be hard to fathom'.

Jeremy also testified Sheila had 'limited' experience with guns. So she may not have been able to put the silencer on.  Anyway wasn't she in too much of a 'crazy' rage to be fiddling around with silencers ? And where was Neville while Sheila was rummaging around the gun cupboard ?

Perhaps the police or lab technicians deliberately contaminated the silencer. There is no proof this happened, Jeremy has not claimed this, preferring to accuse the relatives.

Jeremy has always optimistically claimed it was not Sheila's blood in the silencer. But if it is human blood at all,  and there is no proof of deliberate contamination, then surely the silencer was used on the massacre night. This again highlights Jeremy's guilt.

[lookout]

Doesn't it stand to sense and reason that while Sheila was downstairs with her father,that while she had a blooded hand when handling the silencer,that an amount of blood would find its way down the tube ?
Liquid flows downwards,not upwards.
It's called contamination------------plainly and simply. A red herring if ever there was one.

[Caroline]

Doesn't it stand to sense and reason that while Sheila was downstairs with her father,that while she had a blooded hand when handling the silencer,that an amount of blood would find its way down the tube ?
Liquid flows downwards,not upwards.
It's called contamination------------plainly and simply. A red herring if ever there was one.

What wouldn't make sense in that scenario is that Jeremy said the rifle had no silencer on it when he played around with it earlier - Sheila would have had to; not only load a rifle she had never seen, but also go and look for a silencer she didn't know existed. 

[lookout]

What wouldn't make sense in that scenario is that Jeremy said the rifle had no silencer on it when he played around with it earlier - Sheila would have had to; not only load a rifle she had never seen, but also go and look for a silencer she didn't know existed. 

I know it wouldn't have been on the rifle,but picked up as it was.Because guns were all over the place,Sheila would probably have picked it up and changed her mind. She may,or may not have known what it was and put it back as it was,now bloodstained.

[lookout]

Then when the damned thing was handled again,it became cross-contaminated.

[Adam]

Doesn't it stand to sense and reason that while Sheila was downstairs with her father,that while she had a blooded hand when handling the silencer,that an amount of blood would find its way down the tube ?
Liquid flows downwards,not upwards.
It's called contamination------------plainly and simply. A red herring if ever there was one.

So it was Sheila's blood.

Human blood gun shot splatter inside the silencer baffles means it must be Sheila's, Neville's, June's, Nicholas or Daniel's blood. Unless there was deliberate contamination afterwards.

You believe the gun shot blood back splatter came from Sheila's hand.

That would mean in her rage she looked for and found the silencer. Inserted the silencer onto the rifle. Then took the silencer off and put it neatly away after killing everyone.

Blood from Sheila's hand would not create the blood splatter effect that a gun shot would.

[Caroline]

I know it wouldn't have been on the rifle,but picked up as it was.Because guns were all over the place,Sheila would probably have picked it up and changed her mind. She may,or may not have known what it was and put it back as it was,now bloodstained.

Just picked it up? From? I don't think it's quite true that 'guns were all over the place'. But if she just picked it up not knowing what it was - she then would have had the thought (in her psychotic state) to then  put it in the gun cupboard. Sorry Lookout, that make no sense at all.

[Caroline]

So it was Sheila's blood.

Human blood gun shot splatter inside the silencer baffles means it must be Sheila's, Neville's, June's, Nicholas or Daniel's blood. Unless there was deliberate contamination afterwards.

You believe the gun shot blood back splatter came from Sheila's hand.

That would mean in her rage she looked for and found the silencer. Inserted the silencer onto the rifle. Then took the silencer off and put it neatly away after killing everyone.

Blood from Sheila's hand would not create the blood splatter effect that a gun shot would.

Not proven.

[lookout]

Just picked it up? From? I don't think it's quite true that 'guns were all over the place'. But if she just picked it up not knowing what it was - she then would have had the thought (in her psychotic state) to then  put it in the gun cupboard. Sorry Lookout, that make no sense at all.

According to an officer,there were a few guns scattered about,including a shotgun which was found in the lounge area. Would Neville have allowed that ?
Just because a person is in a psychotic state doesn't mean that they're out of control altogether.Their state is focussed on what they're doing at the time,so are just " living that moment " oblivious to their actions and to anything else around them. Sheilas' focus was guns,the gun cupboard and whether the " tube " she'd picked up had anything to do with what she was doing.

[Adam]

Just confirming what Lookout was saying.

Human gun shot blood back splatter means the silencer was used on the massacre night.

Unless evidence is provided of deliberate contamination.

[lookout]

The silencer was NOT used at all,just man-handled by all and sundry.

[Adam]

The silencer was NOT used at all,just man-handled by all and sundry.

So the blood from Sheila's hand didn't go into the silencer ?

[Caroline]

According to an officer,there were a few guns scattered about,including a shotgun which was found in the lounge area. Would Neville have allowed that ?
Just because a person is in a psychotic state doesn't mean that they're out of control altogether.Their state is focussed on what they're doing at the time,so are just " living that moment " oblivious to their actions and to anything else around them. Sheilas' focus was guns,the gun cupboard and whether the " tube " she'd picked up had anything to do with what she was doing.

Sorry Lookout - that's just too far fetched. Sheila wouldn't have known the gun had a silencer and if she was focused on killing someone with the rifle she wouldn't be searching for 'accessories' in order to help her do the job.

[Adam]

If Jeremy believed the silencer blood was not Sheila's, then whose 'human blood' was it ?

Oh yes, he says the relatives framed him. But has no proof.

[lookout]

Sorry Lookout - that's just too far fetched. Sheila wouldn't have known the gun had a silencer and if she was focused on killing someone with the rifle she wouldn't be searching for 'accessories' in order to help her do the job.

I didn't say that she did know what a silencer was,nor did I mention her looking for accessories ? I said that her focus would have been on the gun cupboard,probably baffled by its contents and the " tube " would have been a silencer to us,but not her.