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Offline mike tesko

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Sheila's heavily bloodstained knickers were found to be soaking in a plastic bucket half filled with cold water - it is not known when she removed her bloodstained knickers and put them to soak in the fresh water. If she undertook this task after the last load of the gun with ammunition, then she could have washed all traces of blood and lead deposits off her fingers, which accounts for why no lead deposit was found upon her fingers at the lab'...
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Sheila's heavily bloodstained knickers were found to be soaking in a plastic bucket half filled with cold water - it is not known when she removed her bloodstained knickers and put them to soak in the fresh water. If she undertook this task after the last load of the gun with ammunition, then she could have washed all traces of blood and lead deposits off her fingers, which accounts for why no lead deposit was found upon her fingers at the lab'...

1) That happened before she started using her tampons and happened 2 times because their were 2 pairs.  Jeremy defenders suggested in the past she decided to save her tampons and instead waer 2 pairs of panties which makes no sense at all.

2) why would someone who was about to kill herself decided to take off her panties and soak them?  She would not need them anymore because she was going to kill herself so why would she bother to try to wash them?

3) That still would not account for the lack of victim blood and GSR on her clothing, the lack of any of her prints in the blood that was on the weapon or her lack of wounds on her feet and hands.  Nor does refute the evidence that proves she can't have killed herself. 
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Sheila's heavily bloodstained knickers were found to be soaking in a plastic bucket half filled with cold water - it is not known when she removed her bloodstained knickers and put them to soak in the fresh water. If she undertook this task after the last load of the gun with ammunition, then she could have washed all traces of blood and lead deposits off her fingers, which accounts for why no lead deposit was found upon her fingers at the lab'...

How do we know how badly the underwear was stained. Assuming the to be heavily so could be just dramatic licence.

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Ann Eaton tells of all the blood found in them, she described it as being as a result of the first stages of a woman's period...
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How do we know how badly the underwear was stained. Assuming the to be heavily so could be just dramatic licence.

A blood stain in the crotch is a blood stain in the crotch, what difference does it make if she was a heavy menstrual bleeder or not?  So there is little harm if it is exaggeration and was not as bad as some suggest.

A blood stain that could be back spatter or contain prints in the victim's blood would be significant but not panties with the crotch stained.
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Ann Eaton tells of all the blood found in them, she described it as being as a result of the first stages of a woman's period...


...........Which isn't necessarily synonymous with heavy bleeding. "All the blood" as described by AE would be dependent on the amount of water the garment was soaking in and for how long it had been soaking.

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...........Which isn't necessarily synonymous with heavy bleeding. "All the blood" as described by AE would be dependent on the amount of water the garment was soaking in and for how long it had been soaking.

Pick your battles- argue over something that actually makes a difference. Whether there was a lot of blood or not that much blood makes no difference they had enough blood to ruin them unless they could be cleaned. His point was about her putting hands in a bucket and washing them off.  How badly stained makes no real difference to that.

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Pick your battles- argue over something that actually makes a difference. Whether there was a lot of blood or not that much blood makes no difference they had enough blood to ruin them unless they could be cleaned. His point was about her putting hands in a bucket and washing them off.  How badly stained makes no real difference to that.


ET TU BRUTE!!!! As far as I'm concerned, ALL the "heavily bloodstained panties" ever amounted to was yet another far fetched story designed to get blood on Sheila's hands. Is there ANYTHING you won't attempt to pick a fight over?

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Pretty much all bullets recovered from victims are just fragments of bullets, . . .
The first bullet that entered Sheila and fragmented (as shown on an X-ray image) somehow became PV20, a bullet that was "whole" (according to one document, though its weight would suggest it was only 70-75% of a whole bullet) when examined in the forensic laboratory. Hence the lab seems to have carefully analysed the wrong bullet.

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ET TU BRUTE!!!! As far as I'm concerned, ALL the "heavily bloodstained panties" ever amounted to was yet another far fetched story designed to get blood on Sheila's hands. Is there ANYTHING you won't attempt to pick a fight over?

Mike made a somewhat more rational argument than that she got blood from the panties on her.  He suggested while cleaning the panties she washed GSR and lead off her hands. How much blood was in the panties doesn't really matter to his argument.  The problem is he has nothing to suggest they were on her at the time of the murders and washed after everyone else was killed. 

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Then of course, there are the pair of blue leggings hanging over the bannister at the top of the stairs - still wet by 10 am the following morning, Now, somebody had to have hand washed those, and because June and Ralph were too busy getting themselves killed, they surely would not have had time to hand wash clothing, so that leaves Sheila. If she hand washed the wet looking blue leggings, then here was an ideal opportunity to wash away lead deposits on her fingers from the reloading of the rifles ammunition magazine.,,
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Then of course, there are the pair of blue leggings hanging over the bannister at the top of the stairs - still wet by 10 am the following morning, Now, somebody had to have hand washed those, and because June and Ralph were too busy getting themselves killed, they surely would not have had time to hand wash clothing, so that leaves Sheila. If she hand washed the wet looking blue leggings, then here was an ideal opportunity to wash away lead deposits on her fingers from the reloading of the rifles ammunition magazine.,,

She could wash her hands anytime she wanted.  The issue is if she decided to kill herself why would she bother to wash, worse yet why would she bother to change her clothes and worst of all why would she bother to wash clothes that she would not need because she planned to kill herself?  Washing clothing is done with the expectation you will still be alive to use the clothing. 
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They're the same thing.
Some people (including myself occasionally) take them to mean the same thing, but it's clear that mike tesko doesn't.

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The title of this thread sounds like an Enquirer tagline. Shocking truth- Nazi Bomber on the moon....

I'm amazed it it still going. Granted many are talking about other things but some have still stuck with the topic of the thread.
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Somebody washed the light blue coloured leggings and hung them over the bannister rail at the top of the stairs before they died. I can te!all you that this garment was not washed the previous evening before June, Ralph and dare I say it, Sheila went to bed to sleep. Whoever washed that garment did so 4 to five hours before PC Bird photographed it there from 10am onwards. Unless anyone is suggesting that Jeremy washed them himself because they want to argue that he was the killer, the only other person who could have washed them 4 to 5 hours previously, is Sheila herself. This would mean that she must have been alive between 5 or 6am that morning. If it wasn't Sheila who washed the blue leggings, then it could only have been June or Ralph who washed them, which means then that one or other, or both parents were still alive inside the farmhouse around 5 and 6am, themselves. It can't have been Jeremy who washed the item in question because from 3.52am he was outside the farmhouse at all times in the presence of at least one police officer at all times. So, there it is, as plain as a pike staff, a wet item of clothing, a pair of blue leggings, wet and hanging over the bannister rail at the top of the stairs, opposite the bedroom door where the bodies of June Banner and Sheila both eventually ended up. This garment had last been worn by either Sheila, or June. Jeremy once told me that this item was usually worn by June Bamber, and that it belonged to her. But, there is no reason to oppose the suggestion that on the night or the early hours of the day of the shootings of the other four victims, that Sheila herself was or had been wearing them. After she had killed them, did she remove these leggings and wash them before hanging them to dry over the bannister rail?
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