Photographic still image taken from crime scene video - The shocking truth...

[lookout]

Its not about framing though is it? Its about failing to investigate a crime scene using proper procedures at the onset.

Allowing a member of the raid team to use the phone is one example.  Failing to take proper samples from the crime scene, failing to take swabs from Sheila's hands prior to being placed in bags, allowing the crime scene to get contaminated, failing to search the premises, failing to remove all weapons from the crime scene, delaying entrance to the building, failing to take statements from the raid team on the day, altering the statement that Colin made, asking AE not to mention the taking of black canvas shoes, failing to tell the truth that an off duty copper escorted two witnesses to the bank, destroying evidence when a man is claiming he is innocent. So, its nothing to do with lab technicians, all they did were send  hand swabs back because they arrived with weapons and there was a risk of contamination, also the silencer was at risk....There was no framing going on at all.  The crime fit and in 1986 Jeremy was found guilty by 10-2 verdict.  There is no evidence to support his innocence, or maybe there was, but that has been destroyed in 1996.  Is it possible that Jeremy killed his family, of course it is, but its also possible that he might not have. 

I fully agree Patti.It was such a shoddy investigation that the way EP went about it would have you believe that they'd framed an innocent man. Diabolical !!

[ngb1066]

I thought he said NGB pays for it and own the domain name?

I do not own the domain name.  This remains Mike's forum.

[Caroline]

Its not about framing though is it? Its about failing to investigate a crime scene using proper procedures at the onset.

Allowing a member of the raid team to use the phone is one example.  Failing to take proper samples from the crime scene, failing to take swabs from Sheila's hands prior to being placed in bags, allowing the crime scene to get contaminated, failing to search the premises, failing to remove all weapons from the crime scene, delaying entrance to the building, failing to take statements from the raid team on the day, altering the statement that Colin made, asking AE not to mention the taking of black canvas shoes, failing to tell the truth that an off duty copper escorted two witnesses to the bank, destroying evidence when a man is claiming he is innocent. So, its nothing to do with lab technicians, all they did were send  hand swabs back because they arrived with weapons and there was a risk of contamination, also the silencer was at risk....There was no framing going on at all.  The crime fit and in 1986 Jeremy was found guilty by 10-2 verdict.  There is no evidence to support his innocence, or maybe there was, but that has been destroyed in 1996.  Is it possible that Jeremy killed his family, of course it is, but its also possible that he might not have. 

If it's not about framing, then the silencer is legitimate, if the silencer is legitimate, then it was hardly likely to be Sheila. Also, because of Jeremy's claim that he received a call from his father naming Sheila and the staged scene, they didn't protect the scene because they thought the culprit was dead.

To some people (including Jeremy and both innocent and guilty supporters) the case is 'all about framing'. He may or may not have been but none of us can completely discount it.

[lookout]

 I wonder if any of the officers thought to feel whether Sheila was still warm,or am I being silly asking
Or maybe they did and it's something else that hasn't been disclosed !!

[Caroline]

I wonder if any of the officers thought to feel whether Sheila was still warm,or am I being silly asking
Or maybe they did and it's something else that hasn't been disclosed !!

Or they did and she wasn't? By the way, can I just say that Jeremy said he now has all the PII stuff so what hasn't been disclosed?

[Jan]

Or they did and she wasn't? By the way, can I just say that Jeremy said he now has all the PII stuff so what hasn't been disclosed?

really ? everything? Did he tell you that recently - I had heard something similar but was told not to reveal that.

I read in one of the raid team statements that the doctor only touched one body - one of the twins to check if a boy or girl.

[Adam]

really ? everything? Did he tell you that recently - I had heard something similar but was told not to reveal that.

I read in one of the raid team statements that the doctor only touched one body - one of the twins to check if a boy or girl.

You go get em girl.

That silly Scipio saying he follows the evidence. All the evidence is wrong, the police relatives and Julie have a lot to answer for. Once proof is found.

[Caroline]

really ? everything? Did he tell you that recently - I had heard something similar but was told not to reveal that.

I read in one of the raid team statements that the doctor only touched one body - one of the twins to check if a boy or girl.

Yes, he told me recently and didn't say not to say anything.

[lookout]

Yes, he told me recently and didn't say not to say anything.

That being the case,it would account for his excitement----------------with more to come.

[Alias]

What happened, does anyone know how/why he got all the material? After 28 years.

[lookout]

Yes, he told me recently and didn't say not to say anything.

Would this also include the " first file " when it was 4 murders and a suicide ?

[lookout]

What happened, does anyone know how/why he got all the material? After 28 years.

I'll ask him,Alias, ( started a letter on Sunday ) Maybe this new team have chivvied things up a bit.

[Jan]

Yes, he told me recently and didn't say not to say anything.

I heard it from a supporter ( not on here) but was some time ago .

Pleased that it is true.

[Jan]

The only way Jeremy could be innocent is if he was framed and even that still is not enough to account for certain things.  The sloppy police efforts might have harmed their chance of getting an even stronger case against Jeremy but there is nothing that suggests anything was lost that could have established his innocence.  GSR would not dissipate in the bags and deny them from being able to find the GSR.  The visible stains that lead causes when loading the bullets would not vanish from being placed in plastic.

Had police tested Jeremy and his clothing the day of the murders who knows what they might have found.  Most of their sloppiness was in his favor including not initially finding the moderator.  They were too busy looking for and collecting anything that fit their perceived idea of what happened- Sheila committing murder suicide to have bothered.

Their sloppiness can't have caused her blood to get in the moderator though nor could it have accounted for her body being moved flat after her death but while she was still bleeding.  Nor could it have accounted for the Bible being placed in a pool of blood that formed after her death.  Even planting of evidence can't be behind the latter 2. The only explanation for the latter 2 is someone else was there at the scene to move her body while she was still bleeding and to put the bible in the pool of her blood after the pool formed but before it dried. What could they have found that they didn't that could have refuted Julie's claims? 

Jeremy is guilty as sin. Some people don't want to face it but that is the obvious reality.  People who don't want to face it make every excuse in the world for the lies he told and ignore all evidence of his guilt but that doesn't make it go away.

The argument of Jeremy supporters taken to its penultimate conclusion would be everyone should be released from prison because the police might have lied and the evidence might have been fabricated and these theoretical possibilities makes any conviction unsafe.   

 

I firmly believe that of all the above there is only one thing that is difficult to explain. And that is the silencer. All the other things are subject to opposing "expert" opinions.

Now Scipio if you are saying JB never used the silencer to shoot before the night - how do you explain the animal blood that was found?

[Reader]

There exists many still photographic images taken from the crime newscene video footage . . .

Do there? What evidence do you have that any such video was made at the time inside the farmhouse?

. . . some footage in the documentary, are images that have been  taken from true to life and death video footage . . .

What evidence do you have that any video footage was made at the time while any of the bodies were in situ, or that any video footage was made of the main bedroom even shortly after the bodies were removed?

Can you even point me to any video footage at all of the inside of WHF that was made in August 1985 or September 1985?

By the way, did you intend to double post?