Photographic still image taken from crime scene video - The shocking truth...

[Jane]

You have been misled, because other footage taken on the same day as the tragedy at whf was also incorporated into the TV documentary, filmed on 7th August 1985, and actors did not play any part in those scenes. police sealing off Pages Lane by use of police cars on the day of the incident was real time footage, so whoever you have been contacting and getting answers from, is pulling the wool over your eyes...

Mike, I don't believe ANYONE is under ANY illusion that actors were called in on the day of the murders. WHY would they need them when they had the real thing? Whether they actually allowed ANY of what they filmed, especially IF it's as dubious as you imply, to be shown publicly is, IMO, a non starter.

[Caroline]

You have been misled, because other footage taken on the same day as the tragedy at whf was also incorporated into the TV documentary, filmed on 7th August 1985, and actors did not play any part in those scenes. police sealing off Pages Lane by use of police cars on the day of the incident was real time footage, so whoever you have been contacting and getting answers from, is pulling the wool over your eyes...

No I haven't - there is wool pulling but not from my source.

[mike tesko]

No I haven't - there is wool pulling but not from my source.

Post a copy of the dark image, showing two female faces in the same photographic still image (a), and then we can all trust what your source is telling you...

[mike tesko]

Mike, I don't believe ANYONE is under ANY illusion that actors were called in on the day of the murders. WHY would they need them when they had the real thing? Whether they actually allowed ANY of what they filmed, especially IF it's as dubious as you imply, to be shown publicly is, IMO, a non starter.

But they did, and they have...

[mike tesko]

Why would the producer of the TV Documentary, use actors to reconstruct two female bodies on the floor alongside each other, if the bodies of Sheila and June were on opposite sides of the bedroom, separated by the bed and floorspace on Junes side where her body is slumped against the bedroom door, in any reconstruction?

[Jane]

But they did, and they have...

If you read ngb's post 43 in the Mr Gee thread, it will clarify this en passe.

[Alias]

Why would the producer of the TV Documentary, use actors to reconstruct two female bodies on the floor alongside each other, if the bodies of Sheila and June were on opposite sides of the bedroom, separated by the bed and floorspace on Junes side where her body is slumped against the bedroom door, in any reconstruction?

None of it was accurate, so why would the bedroom scene be?
They staged the actresses close together to be able to make a pan for effect.

[Jane]

Why would the producer of the TV Documentary, use actors to reconstruct two female bodies on the floor alongside each other, if the bodies of Sheila and June were on opposite sides of the bedroom, separated by the bed and floorspace on Junes side where her body is slumped against the bedroom door, in any reconstruction?

Representation isn't required to be an exact likeness. At least they had both "bodies" in the same room.

[Caroline]

Post a copy of the dark image, showing two female faces in the same photographic still image (a), and then we can all trust what your source is telling you...

Watch the video.

[Caroline]

Why would the producer of the TV Documentary, use actors to reconstruct two female bodies on the floor alongside each other, if the bodies of Sheila and June were on opposite sides of the bedroom, separated by the bed and floorspace on Junes side where her body is slumped against the bedroom door, in any reconstruction?

It's to give a feel, hint of what happened, it's not meant to be perfection.

[mike tesko]

If you read ngb's post 43 in the Mr Gee thread, it will clarify this en passe.

I have never said that any part of the crime scene video was played as part of the TV documentary, I am saying that a still image (a) was encrypted into the documentary footage, showing the face of who I believe to be Sheila Caffells body on the floor, with her head a considerable distance from a cabinet. This dark image (a) shows the position of Sheila's head, as I believe  it has been referred to by PS Adams in his COLP interview, where he makes a comment about the position of Sheila's head being differently positioned than shown in the video image they were shown by senior officers on the evening of the shootings. Now, where is that video with these images on? How come police had video footage of the crime scene with images of the bodies of the five victims in with recorded upon it so soon after the event, when it wasn't until September 1985, that PC Bird put the photographic albums together?

It is clear that Sheila's head must have been a different distance from a cabinet, as seen by PS Adams at the scene around 9am, as opposed to the position of her head, as was being shown to them by senior officers at the debrief less than 12 hours later. Do you not agree, that PS Adams was telling the COLP investigators that somebody had repositioned Sheila's body since the time he saw it, inside the bedroom, and that the image being shown to those at the debrief that same evening had been moved by somebody after PS Adams and other officers had left the scene. So, everyone, do not be fooled by those who seek to deliberately pull the wool over our eyes - PS Adams and other officers must have seen Sheila's body in a different position at around 9am, than it ended up being photographed in by the time PC Bird started to take photographs at the scene from 10 O'clock, onward. It follows does it not, that the photograph shown to members of the raid team at the debrief cannot have been one which shows Sheila's head far away from the bedside cabinet, it  had to be one which showed the position of Sheila's head closer to the cabinet than it had been in at around 9am. So who moved Sheila's body? Certainly, it couldn't have been Jeremy who is responsible for doing that / this...

[Caroline]

I have never said that any part of the crime scene video was played as part of the TV documentary, I am saying that a still image (a) was encrypted into the documentary footage, showing the face of who I believe to be Sheila Caffells body on the floor, with her head a considerable distance from a cabinet. This dark image (a) shows the position of Sheila's head, as I believe  it has been referred to by PS Adams in his COLP interview, where he makes a comment about the position of Sheila's head being differently positioned than shown in the video image they were shown by senior officers on the evening of the shootings. Now, where is that video with these images on? How come police had video footage of the crime scene with images of the bodies of the five victims in with recorded upon it so soon after the event, when it wasn't until September 1985, that PC Bird put the photographic albums together?

It is clear that Sheila's head must have been a different distance from a cabinet, as seen by PS Adams at the scene around 9am, as opposed to the position of her head, as was being shown to them by senior officers at the debrief less than 12 hours later. Do you not agree, that PS Adams was telling the COLP investigators that somebody had repositioned Sheila's body since the time he saw it, inside the bedroom, and that the image being shown to those at the debrief that same evening had been moved by somebody after PS Adams and other officers had left the scene. So, everyone, do not be fooled by those who seek to deliberately pull the wool over our eyes - PS Adams and other officers must have seen Sheila's body in a different position at around 9am, than it ended up being photographed in by the time PC Bird started to take photographs at the scene from 10 O'clock, onward. It follows does it not, that the photograph shown to members of the raid team at the debrief cannot have been one which shows Sheila's head far away from the bedside cabinet, it  had to be one which showed the position of Sheila's head closer to the cabinet than it had been in at around 9am. So who moved Sheila's body? Certainly, it couldn't have been Jeremy who is responsible for doing that / this...

But that isn't true.

[mike tesko]

But that isn't true.

I do not need you to tell me that what I said isn't true, because it is true. Ask PS Adams and the COLP interviewers, Adams was specific, when he saw Sheila's body at around 9am, her head was much further away from the cabinet than shown in the crime scene video image shown to officers at the debrief on the evening of the tragedy. So, Sheila's body was moved by the police, ending up with her body being in a different position by 10 O'clock in time for PC Bird to start taking his photographs showing Sheila's head next to a bedside cabinet...

[mike tesko]

What PS Adams failed to mention in his COLP interview, or COLP themselves failed to record in his interview, was that the cabinet referred to by Adams when he saw Sheila's body at around 9am, was a different cabinet, next to which Sheila's head ended up next to, by the time PC Bird started to take photographs from 10 O'clock onward...

Linked to this matter, was a photograph retained in ACC Simpsons safe in his office, a photograph which showed the position of Sheila's body and her head much further away from a bedside cabinet, a photograph taken before the second shot was inflicted under Sheila's chin, a shot which actually killed her. Well the dark image (a) I posted, is the image COLP found locked away inside ACC Simpsons office safe. Now, you can all believe what you want to, but the truth is there for all to see...

[mike tesko]

If anybody can, please post the dark version of image (a) which purports to show the faces of the two females in the same dark image (a)...

I look forward to seeing it...