Miscellaneous Notes...

[lookout]

All squids are damp.

That's what I said'll I,did'll I ? Do keep up.

[guest154]

Well, if that's the way it's told ..... or sold.

Every time.

[Mr. Gee]

That's what I said'll I,did'll I ? Do keep up.

Ok Olley.

[lookout]

Ok Olley.

Awwww,my favourites. I've got loads of their dvd's and an old set of videos.

[lookout]

 Sheila was the only one,besides her parents,who knew that she was going to  "lose " her sons,either than them going to live with their father and new girlfriend or to foster parents,and it didn't appear that she had much say in the matter over her future. Then to be told that she wasn't a fit mother would have been the last straw. Maybe Sheila knew herself that she DID struggle at times,but without the proper help it wasn't her fault. She was in a catch 22 situation where she took cannabis to help her through her day while she tried to manage her children and her home,and on top of her prescription drugs,it was making her worse.
People today would be supported and removal of children would be a last resort. The system as it was in the 1980's,let her down,the same as it has done today on occasion.
With the proper help and support,Sheila would have been able to have led a near-normal life.Her parents made a rod for their own backs by not speaking out about Sheila,or they'd have had the help which was so badly needed. 

[scipio_usmc]

Sheila was the only one,besides her parents,who knew that she was going to  "lose " her sons,either than them going to live with their father and new girlfriend or to foster parents,and it didn't appear that she had much say in the matter over her future. Then to be told that she wasn't a fit mother would have been the last straw. Maybe Sheila knew herself that she DID struggle at times,but without the proper help it wasn't her fault. She was in a catch 22 situation where she took cannabis to help her through her day while she tried to manage her children and her home,and on top of her prescription drugs,it was making her worse.
People today would be supported and removal of children would be a last resort. The system as it was in the 1980's,let her down,the same as it has done today on occasion.
With the proper help and support,Sheila would have been able to have led a near-normal life.Her parents made a rod for their own backs by not speaking out about Sheila,or they'd have had the help which was so badly needed.

She had no reason to think she was going to lose them.  Her husband didn't even ask for sole custody.  He said he contemplated asking for sole custody and thus was spun into his actually asking. The parents contemplated asking her to agree to accept part time help with them not to give up custody.  Jeremy says they actually told her their suggestion the evening before the murders occurred but we don't know for sure whether they had they actually had the chance to talk to her about such before being killed or if so when it occurred.  Jeremy is not a reliable source. Jeremy lied to Colin and told him they planned to force her to give the twins up for adoption which annoyed him because he was never consulted about such and would need to allow such.

[Mr. Gee]

Colin said that when he told her that he had found someone else that Sheila went quiet for the rest of the journey to WHF. One could only wonder how her mind was going, as she thought there was still hope for their marriage. Who knows, perhaps she thought that she would lose custody and as a result her children may prefer to be with this new woman and her role as their mother would be threatened somehow?

[Jane]

She had no reason to think she was going to lose them.  Her husband didn't even ask for sole custody.  He said he contemplated asking for sole custody and thus was spun into his actually asking. The parents contemplated asking her to agree to accept part time help with them not to give up custody.  Jeremy says they actually told her their suggestion the evening before the murders occurred but we don't know for sure whether they had they actually had the chance to talk to her about such before being killed or if so when it occurred.  Jeremy is not a reliable source. Jeremy lied to Colin and told him they planned to force her to give the twins up for adoption which annoyed him because he was never consulted about such and would need to allow such.

To be fair, unless we know exactly what was Sheila's mind set, her fears, her guilt, we can't say with assurance "she had no reason...................." The most we can say is there doesn't appear to be a reason but allow for the fact of her PS causing irrational thoughts.

[Caroline]

Colin said that when he told her that he had found someone else that Sheila went quiet for the rest of the journey to WHF. One could only wonder how her mind was going, as she thought there was still hope for their marriage. Who knows, perhaps she thought that she would lose custody and as a result her children may prefer to be with this new woman and her role as their mother would be threatened somehow?

Hi Grahame, Sheila already knew he found someone else, Heather was at the party on the Saturday for the twins.

[lookout]

She had no reason to think she was going to lose them.  Her husband didn't even ask for sole custody.  He said he contemplated asking for sole custody and thus was spun into his actually asking. The parents contemplated asking her to agree to accept part time help with them not to give up custody.  Jeremy says they actually told her their suggestion the evening before the murders occurred but we don't know for sure whether they had they actually had the chance to talk to her about such before being killed or if so when it occurred.  Jeremy is not a reliable source. Jeremy lied to Colin and told him they planned to force her to give the twins up for adoption which annoyed him because he was never consulted about such and would need to allow such.

Colin had discussed taking full control of the boys leaving Sheila with the option of seeing them and perhaps as she got better,having them for weekends. This he'd written in his letter to her father when he dropped them all at WHF for the last time.
Being a woman,I'd personally have torn the man's hair off his head. How insensitive ! I'd have been furious,as Sheila wasn't stupid she could understand what was going on.People spoke as though she wasn't there which was so wrong,so damaging to her,as afterall,it was people who made her ill in the first place.

[scipio_usmc]

Colin had discussed taking full control of the boys leaving Sheila with the option of seeing them and perhaps as she got better,having them for weekends. This he'd written in his letter to her father when he dropped them all at WHF for the last time.
Being a woman,I'd personally have torn the man's hair off his head. How insensitive ! I'd have been furious,as Sheila wasn't stupid she could understand what was going on.People spoke as though she wasn't there which was so wrong,so damaging to her,as afterall,it was people who made her ill in the first place.

Colin never had any such discussion with Sheila or the parents.  He wrote a letter that he never ended up giving to June and Nevill that discussed such. 

[lookout]

Colin never had any such discussion with Sheila or the parents.  He wrote a letter that he never ended up giving to June and Nevill that discussed such.

Well somehow that letter surfaced and was probably at the crux of the conversation that night,whether Sheila saw it or not,Neville would have mentioned it. It was an AWFUL letter and spoke of June's behaviour towards her daughter.

[Mr. Gee]

Colin never had any such discussion with Sheila or the parents.  He wrote a letter that he never ended up giving to June and Nevill that discussed such.

I thought he sent a letter to Ralph about that? It's the first I've heard that he never sent it.

[Caroline]

I thought he sent a letter to Ralph about that? It's the first I've heard that he never sent it.

That's right Grahame, it was never sent.

[Mr. Gee]

That's right Grahame, it was never sent.

But it appears he was considering it though?