Author Topic: The lab technicians contaminating the silencer. Another shot in dark ?  (Read 1053 times)

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Offline Adam

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Bamber has accused the relatives of expertly framing him with the silencer. Saying that straight after he lost his family, they decided to frame an innocent man and take away his liberty, reputation  and entitlement. For ever.

This was a bad move by Bamber as upon closer inspection this was impossible for the relatives to do. But blaming the police was not a good move either. But someone had to have contaminated the silencer.

The relatives were already wealthy and had no criminal history. The relatives have of course denied this. Saying there was enough evidence without the silencer.

Another recent suggestion was the police, lead by supposed maverick Stan Jones, expertly contaminated the silencer. Before handing this into the lab technicians. There are lots of reasons why this is not plausible. And no proof it happened.

The final option was that the lab technicians themselves fabricated the silencer evidence. Is this plausible or another shot in the dark ?

The police would have to take the big risk of approaching the lab technicians and getting them to agree to commit a serious criminal act. One uncommitted technician could be a disaster for everyone else. Especially if he reported this to Taff or someone like Peter Simpson.  Resulting in police and other lab technicians losing their jobs and being prosecuted.

The lab technicians may have the expertise to expertly contaminate the silencer. Creating the back spatter effect. However their job is to test, rather than fabricated evidence. So this is not guaranteed.

The lab technicians will need Sheila's blood. Don't tell me Stan Jones had a pint of it on his desk  :D.

It has never been determined whether it is possible to create the back splatter effect without the use of a rifle and body. Sheila's body may need to be available together with a rifle. I understand her body was cremated.

Do other people believe it was also highly unlikely the lab technicians agreed to expertly contaminate the silencer ?

« Last Edit: January 13, 2015, 04:07:AM by Adam »
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Bamber has accused the relatives of expertly framing him with the silencer. Saying that straight after he lost his family, they decided to frame an innocent man and take away his liberty, reputation  and entitlement. For ever.

This was a bad move by Bamber as upon closer inspection this was impossible for the relatives to do. But blaming the police was not a good move either. But someone had to have contaminated the silencer.

The relatives were already wealthy and had no criminal history. The relatives have of course denied this. Saying there was enough evidence without the silencer.

Another recent suggestion was the police, lead by supposed maverick Stan Jones, expertly contaminated the silencer. Before handing this into the lab technicians. There are lots of reasons why this is not plausible. And no proof it happened.

The final option was that the lab technicians themselves fabricated the silencer evidence. Is this plausible or another shot in the dark ?

The police would have to take the big risk of approaching the lab technicians and getting them to agree to commit a serious criminal act. One uncommitted technician could be a disaster for everyone else. Especially if he reported this to Taff or someone like Peter Simpson.  Resulting in police and other lab technicians losing their jobs and being prosecuted.

The lab technicians may have the expertise to expertly contaminate the silencer. Creating the back spatter effect. However their job is to test, rather than fabricated evidence. So this is not guaranteed.

The lab technicians will need Sheila's blood. Don't tell me Stan Jones had a pint of it on his desk  :D.

It has never been determined whether it is possible to create the back splatter effect without the use of a rifle and body. Sheila's body may need to be available together with a rifle. I understand her body was cremated.

Do other people believe it was also highly unlikely the lab technicians agreed to expertly contaminate the silencer ?

Who said the Lab tech's contaminated the silencer>
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I've always suspected that if there was any tampering with the silencer then the relatives were in a far better position to do it. Some on here professing to be experts confidently state that the relatives were not experts and therefore could not "expertly" contaminate the evidence. It would be very easy to do so by dropping blood into the silencer. The silencer was not tested for back spatter at these so called expers say. It was just hit or miss on the part of those who did contaminate it. It's not rocket science even if those "experts" say that I'm a fool and come out with crap. Yes that's right scipio on the euphemistically termed "red" forum. ;)

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I've always suspected that if there was any tampering with the silencer then the relatives were in a far better position to do it. Some on here professing to be experts confidently state that the relatives were not experts and therefore could not "expertly" contaminate the evidence. It would be very easy to do so by dropping blood into the silencer. The silencer was not tested for back spatter at these so called expers say. It was just hit or miss on the part of those who did contaminate it. It's not rocket science even if those "experts" say that I'm a fool and come out with crap. Yes that's right scipio on the euphemistically termed "red" forum. ;)

Hi Grahame, I agree that it wouldn't require an expert to contaminate the silencer. The experts were asked 'how' blood could enter the silencer and thus suggested backspatter. No on other than our friend from the RF has mentioned 'a fine mist/spray' and I have NEVER seen it mentioned in any documentation. I imagine methods today would have been able to tell if backspatter was responsible but I highly doubt they could do so in 1985. It's not like gun crime was 10 a penny back then!
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The damn thing was contaminated long before it reached the lab. In fact,on 2? occasions,whether it be the same one or not ( questionable ) one was tossed in the boot of AE's car,along with God knows what else,then another one ? was thrown into the boot of SJ's car as he left the Eatons house,in an inebriated condition.
How can anyone get to the bottom of something like this when this sort of thing takes place ?

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BTW,it was no " shot in the dark " at WHF,as most of the lights were burning ! ;D

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Hi Grahame, I agree that it wouldn't require an expert to contaminate the silencer. The experts were asked 'how' blood could enter the silencer and thus suggested backspatter. No on other than our friend from the RF has mentioned 'a fine mist/spray' and I have NEVER seen it mentioned in any documentation. I imagine methods today would have been able to tell if backspatter was responsible but I highly doubt they could do so in 1985. It's not like gun crime was 10 a penny back then!



Normally, when one speaks of a "fine mist," sprays such as deodorant, hair spray, room fresheners and spray polish come to mind, all requiring SPACE over which the "fine mist" can settle. I would be interested to see how a "fine mist"can collect inside something with the internal diameter of a silencer.

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Normally, when one speaks of a "fine mist," sprays such as deodorant, hair spray, room fresheners and spray polish come to mind, all requiring SPACE over which the "fine mist" can settle. I would be interested to see how a "fine mist"can collect inside something with the internal diameter of a silencer.

Excellent point April!
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Normally, when one speaks of a "fine mist," sprays such as deodorant, hair spray, room fresheners and spray polish come to mind, all requiring SPACE over which the "fine mist" can settle. I would be interested to see how a "fine mist"can collect inside something with the internal diameter of a silencer.




It would if you sneezed in it. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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It would if you sneezed in it. ;D ;D ;D ;D



The exiting sneeze would certainly project out as a fine mist. ;D ;D

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depends on which you report you read as to the amount of blood in the silencer as well. Some say a flake - some say a considerable amount.

It would only retain what blood "stuck" to the sides anyway - any surplus would run through . Its not rocket science.

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Flake could also refer to paint.

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Flake could also refer to paint.
Or a chocolate bar. ::)

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Or a chocolate bar. ::)




Never thought of that-----------and that gets everywhere. I could just eat one,or two. ;D