Did Bamber steal June's bike ?

[Jane]

I doubt that Jeremy told him this. RB would have told Wilkes this. As the book states.

He got the money from June. Maybe the capital letters he writes in scared her. And the threatening tone.

But you haven't said from where comes the information that Jeremy hadn't spoken with June for 7/15 years.

[Adam]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=PoiqVPPQGYvNygOH94CoCw&url=http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php%3Ftopic%3D5129.150&ved=0CB0QFjAA&usg=AFQjCNHobaArurCKjFfDzT4waTBxQLet2Q&sig2=YxXp2ll6Gp9DiKIK0-2Nrg

MM testimony is on page one. Bamber agreed with it when testifying.

Page 42 of Wilkes's book quotes Bamber as saying the relationship broke down when he was 17.

Take you're pick - 17, or 6 (when being sent to boarding school). Either way, a long time.

Do you believe Bamber stole or was given June's bike ?

[Adam]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'.

                                  _________________

In case no one clicked on my link.

If Bamber never forgave June for sending him to boarding school, then there is a possibility the relationship broke down when he was 6.

Bamber contradicts himself here. Testifying that he agreed with MM's testimony. But telling Wilkes it broke down when he was 17.

Either way, it was a long time and  after robbing his parents it was not getting any better.

[Alias]

I doubt that Jeremy told him this. RB would have told Wilkes this. As the book states.

He got the money from June. Maybe the capital letters he writes in scared her. And the threatening tone.

Do you think Bamber stole or was given the bike ?

This is absurd and reveals with all clarity your irrational hate of Jeremy. It seems personal. Such an absurd statement also undermines your overall credibility.

[maggie]

It is in Wilkes's book. Who interveiwed Bamber. Diving lessons do not come cheap.

Robert Boutflour read the letter sent to June. Saying it was almost threatening.

Bamber would of course speak to June if he wanted money.

Correction - it was £1,500.00. Which I believe is £4,000.00 today.

Do you believe Barber stole or was given June's bike ?

I have read in Lomaxs book I think that Jeremy saved most of the money himself which he used for  travelling however if he didn't as you point out Sheila had many bailouts et. So fair's, fair, make your mind up. Did Jeremy have a reason to resent Sheila? Yes driving lessons are expensive but something that many parents consider necessary expenditure on their children if they can afford it.  I would imagine a driving licence and in time a HGV licence would be necessary to use him at his full capacity on the farm.  In one breath you claim Jeremy resented Sheila getting all the financial help and a free flat in London while he has to slog on the farm the next minute he's being bank rolled on travels round the world, ??

[Adam]

I have read in Lomaxs book I think that Jeremy saved most of the money himself which he used for  travelling however if he didn't as you point out Sheila had many bailouts et. So fair's, fair, make your mind up. Did Jeremy have a reason to resent Sheila? Yes driving lessons are expensive but something that many parents consider necessary expenditure on their children if they can afford it.  I would imagine a driving licence and in time a HGV licence would be necessary to use him at his full capacity on the farm.  In one breath you claim Jeremy resented Sheila getting all the financial help and a free flat in London while he has to slog on the farm the next minute he's being bank rolled on travels round the world, ??

After failing his 'A' levels he was financed for extensive jaunts abroad. But then the money stopped and Jeremy had to work.

Sheila was still getting financed. And the twins.

Jeremy was outraged.

Do you believe Jeremy stole or was given the bike ?

[Jane]

Since when did a "broken relationship" mean NOT speaking? During the timeframe you give, June would have been responsible for Jeremy's care when he was at home. The usual Mum things. Cooking, Washing. Clearing up after. Dispensing of pocket money/allowance(?) Social occasions such as Christmas and birthdays. I believe she and Neville accompanied Jeremy to his 21st birthday celebrations. All of this life being lived, Adam, and you would have us believe that not a word was spoken by Jeremy to his mother. According to Jeremy, his relationship with Julie had been "in decline" but they were still speaking

[Adam]

This is absurd and reveals with all clarity your irrational hate of Jeremy. It seems personal. Such an absurd statement also undermines your overall credibility.

Do you believe Jeremy stole or was given the bike ?

[Jane]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'.

                                  _________________

In case no one clicked on my link.

If Bamber never forgave June for sending him to boarding school, then there is a possibility the relationship broke down when he was 6.

Bamber contradicts himself here. Testifying that he agreed with MM's testimony. But telling Wilkes it broke down when he was 17.

Either way, it was a long time and  after robbing his parents it was not getting any better.

But this doesn't say from where come documentary evidence that Jeremy hadn't spoken to June for 7/14 years. Saying the relationship had broken down is NOT documentary evidence.

[Adam]

Since when did a "broken relationship" mean NOT speaking? During the timeframe you give, June would have been responsible for Jeremy's care when he was at home. The usual Mum things. Cooking, Washing. Clearing up after. Dispensing of pocket money/allowance(?) Social occasions such as Christmas and birthdays. I believe she and Neville accompanied Jeremy to his 21st birthday celebrations. All of this life being lived, Adam, and you would have us believe that not a word was spoken by Jeremy to his mother. According to Jeremy, his relationship with Julie had been "in decline" but they were still speaking

Well they probably spoke if they had to.

Jeremy may have even said 'pass the salt' to June on his rabbit shooting last supper.

I know Bamber was speaking to Julie. He rang her three times on the massacre night ! 

Do you think the bike was stolen or given ?

[Mr. Gee]

I have read in Lomaxs book I think that Jeremy saved most of the money himself which he used for  travelling however if he didn't as you point out Sheila had many bailouts et. So fair's, fair, make your mind up. Did Jeremy have a reason to resent Sheila? Yes driving lessons are expensive but something that many parents consider necessary expenditure on their children if they can afford it.  I would imagine a driving licence and in time a HGV licence would be necessary to use him at his full capacity on the farm.  In one breath you claim Jeremy resented Sheila getting all the financial help and a free flat in London while he has to slog on the farm the next minute he's being bank rolled on travels round the world, ??

I've bailed out my children many times. I do it out of love for them. But I must add that I don't think any of them really appreciate the fact that I spend most of my money on them. I suspect it was the same where Jeremy and Sheila were concerned? The only difference I see here is that Adam  is unjustly accusing Bamber of things that aren't true? It isn't just a matter of opinion because in this country at least proof is required to back up accusations and this is seriously lacking in Adam's case. On the contrary all I see in Adam's posts are a blood lust hatred for Bamber and anyone else who believe that there has been a miscarriage of justice.
It is a thread also in which he has accused me of calling him a liar because he was "joking" when he said in another thread that Bamber stole his mother's bike.
As usual it is unfortunate that the moderators have not taken my complaint seriously.

[Adam]

No proof. Just your opinion. Proof is needed in a court of law. That proof was not found. End of. Last comment.

[Mr. Gee]

But this doesn't say from where come documentary evidence that Jeremy hadn't spoken to June for 7/14 years. Saying the relationship had broken down is NOT documentary evidence.

What I find interesting is the fact of how quickly Mugford's mother changes towards Bamber at the very convenient same time Mugford did? Strange it is also that neither of them, mother nor daughter had anything GOOD to say about him. Yet she had been his girlfriend for over two years and expected to marry him. Oh how hate loves to manifest itself against those who feel betrayed. This lends proof to the fact that it was jealousy that caused both Mugfords to lie in court and yes I suggest they did lie through their teeth.

[Adam]

I've bailed out my children many times. I do it out of love for them. But I must add that I don't think any of them really appreciate the fact that I spend most of my money on them. I suspect it was the same where Jeremy and Sheila were concerned? The only difference I see here is that Adam  is unjustly accusing Bamber of things that aren't true? It isn't just a matter of opinion because in this country at least proof is required to back up accusations and this is seriously lacking in Adam's case. On the contrary all I see in Adam's posts are a blood lust hatred for Bamber and anyone else who believe that there has been a miscarriage of justice.
It is a thread also in which he has accused me of calling him a liar because he was "joking" when he said in another thread that Bamber stole his mother's bike.
As usual it is unfortunate that the moderators have not taken my complaint seriously.

You couldn't bail me out could you ? 

I want to buy a Porsche car. After a trip to St Tropez of course.

[Adam]

What I find interesting is the fact of how quickly Mugford's mother changes towards Bamber at the very convenient same time Mugford did? Strange it is also that neither of them, mother nor daughter had anything GOOD to say about him. Yet she had been his girlfriend for over two years and expected to marry him. Oh how hate loves to manifest itself against those who feel betrayed. This lends proof to the fact that it was jealousy that caused both Mugfords to lie in court and yes I suggest they did lie through their teeth.

Why did Jeremy agree with MM's testimony if she lied ?

MM said nice things when testifying. He called her 'mummy' and offered her June's car.