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Offline lookout

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2020, 09:55:AM »
How many times was this logged and by whom ?
 There were either 2 bodies or there weren't !
 What made them say two bodies if they thought it was a female ?
 Seeing a female body is just one person that was seen isn't it ?
 Where did the two come in ?

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #91 on: February 04, 2020, 10:33:AM »
lets move on with the thread
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Offline Janet ((Formerly known as Takeshi))

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #92 on: February 04, 2020, 10:38:AM »
Option one is the fact of the matter. The officer is on record saying he mistook Nevils body for a female.

This I might have been willing to accept but what of the 8.10 log "House now been thoroughly searched by firearms team. Now confirmed a further 3 bodies found. Five dead in total".

I find it difficult to reconcile the two.
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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #93 on: February 04, 2020, 10:43:AM »
lets move on with the thread





Why, can't you answer it ?

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #94 on: February 04, 2020, 10:44:AM »
This I might have been willing to accept but what of the 8.10 log "House now been thoroughly searched by firearms team. Now confirmed a further 3 bodies found. Five dead in total".

I find it difficult to reconcile the two.

They had rectified their mistake. The radio log is just repeating what is heard.

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #95 on: February 04, 2020, 10:45:AM »
there were lots of mistakes made ,we must remember this was policing in the 80s ,had it been today every policeman there would be wearing a body cam

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #96 on: February 04, 2020, 10:47:AM »




Why, can't you answer it ?
cant answer what didnt see any post addressed to me.but unlike your self if i cant answer i will say so ,and not come up with 101 excuses.

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #97 on: February 04, 2020, 10:48:AM »
Mistakes are still made today even with advanced technology. There's never any excuse for not using your brain !

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2020, 10:52:AM »
Mistakes are still made today even with advanced technology. There's never any excuse for not using your brain !
theres an old saying ,seeing is believing .but we all know how easily our eyes can be deceived

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2020, 10:59:AM »
theres an old saying ,seeing is believing .but we all know how easily our eyes can be deceived






These were police officers, who seemingly are never deceived or shouldn't be or they're not fit for the job. How can anyone be deceived by the appearance or non-appearance of two bodies ?

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #100 on: February 04, 2020, 11:12:AM »





These were police officers, who seemingly are never deceived or shouldn't be or they're not fit for the job. How can anyone be deceived by the appearance or non-appearance of two bodies ?
so are you saying that they did see two bodies but are now lying .

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #101 on: February 04, 2020, 11:13:AM »
so are you saying that they did see two bodies but are now lying .





You've just said that, not me !

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #102 on: February 04, 2020, 11:19:AM »




You've just said that, not me !
your own sides mr knowitall has already said it was a mistake and they corrected it they mistook nevilles body for a womans

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #103 on: February 04, 2020, 11:44:AM »
your own sides mr knowitall has already said it was a mistake and they corrected it they mistook nevilles body for a womans





Yeah ! Just because it's " my side " doesn't mean to say I agree, unlike yourself who finds it easier to follow the crowd.

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Re: Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?
« Reply #104 on: February 04, 2020, 12:07:PM »
This I might have been willing to accept but what of the 8.10 log "House now been thoroughly searched by firearms team. Now confirmed a further 3 bodies found. Five dead in total".

I find it difficult to reconcile the two.

I can cope with this. I can see a distinct time lag between events on the ground and what is being is relayed from HQIR. The entry you refer to states that the info is coming from the Duty Inspector at HQIR.
At 7.37 just as the Firearms Unit were entering the farm, it was relayed over the radio by CA07 that 1 dead male and 1 dead female were found. At 8.09, CA07 reported all 5 bodies found dead.

With HQIR listening in, and just 1 minute later, I can certain see how they would assume '3 more bodies found'.

There seems to be a fairly distinct radio silence from inside the house for about 30 minutes as they search the house. There was other radio chatter, but not (from what I recall) anything directly from inside the house. So this leaves a lot of time when the facts were not yet updated to HQIR.

Whilst I am not saying this IS the definitive series of events, it is not beyond belief that just prior to entering the house, they have two sightings of the same body, one identified as male, and one as female, appearing to be dead. The logs suggest they heard a noise (possibly the dog moving?), and enter house forcefully. The log now reflects 2 dead bodies found - and is being relayed to multiple other parties all whilst the actual Firearms team are inside the premises discovering only 1 body...
By the time the house is fully checked and 5 dead bodies counted, the time lag makes it seem like 2 bodies + 3 bodies, rather than 1 + 4.