Two bodies in the kitchen. A time for closure ?

[Mr. Gee]

It should say one male on the submitted log. As it was Neville.

The logs do not match their statements.

[lookout]

Why did they say two bodies if they said they'd mistaken Neville for a woman ? ( that only denotes a mix-up with one person ) They must have seen two to start with to have recorded that there were two.

[Mr. Gee]

So the completed log done hours or days after the raid team entered WHF,  says Sheila was in the kitchen, rather than Neville.

Guess the picture of Neville must have been a hoax.

I certainly suspect that the police changed the crime scene and covered it up. It is the only explanation for their so many "mistakes".

[Adam]

If they accidentally shot her that's why. So the best option for them was to re-arrange the scene.

So the raid team were told there was a 'nutter' inside. Who knew how to use guns.

They shoot 'nutter' Sheila in the kitchen which is what they are trained to do. Then decide to take her upstairs and make it look like murder/suicide.

Murder/suicide is accepted. But then one month later the police decide to frame Bamber.

Interesting.

[Mr. Gee]

So the raid team were told there was a 'nutter' inside. Who knew how to use guns.

They shoot 'nutter' Sheila in the kitchen which is what they are trained to do. Then decide to take her upstairs and make it look like murder/suicide.

Murder/suicide is accepted. But then one month later the police decide to frame Bamber.

Interesting.

No. I believe that the shooting of Sheila was a mistake, that happened as they were trying to make the rifle safe.

[Adam]

I certainly suspect that the police changed the crime scene and covered it up. It is the only explanation for their so many "mistakes".

What mistakes did they make in the first few minutes ? The raid team were in the kitchen then. Not the police.

[Jan]

So the completed log done hours or days after the raid team entered WHF,  says Sheila was in the kitchen, rather than Neville.

Guess the picture of Neville must have been a hoax.

NO! this is the written log that is recorded AT the time of entry . So they were relaying what happened as they went in and it was recorded and timed . I never said it was Sheila - one male and one female found downstairs on entry - one murder one suicide - this is before they went upstairs.

[Jan]

So the raid team were told there was a 'nutter' inside. Who knew how to use guns.

They shoot 'nutter' Sheila in the kitchen which is what they are trained to do. Then decide to take her upstairs and make it look like murder/suicide.

Murder/suicide is accepted. But then one month later the police decide to frame Bamber.

Interesting.

Adam - I repeat    We are not saying that is what happened - we are pointing out the logs that were made at the time - why do they give those timings for those discoveries ?  I am only interested in the documents not "assumptions" about what happened. If Sheila was upstairs and they did not go upstairs until 8.10 how did they know it was one murder and one suicide at 7.41?

[Adam]

No. I believe that the shooting of Sheila was a mistake, that happened as they were trying to make the rifle safe.

Oh so Sheila was alive and not injured.

The experienced raid team shot Sheila by mistake. Then shot her again to kill her and make it look like murder/suicide.

[Mr. Gee]

What mistakes did they make in the first few minutes ? The raid team were in the kitchen then. Not the police.

This is a quote from Dan Straker who noted these "mistakes" that is if they were mistakes and those who believe Bamber to be guilty certainly see them as mistakes:

1 That a female body was seen in the kitchen before the police broke into the house-I am of course referring to the sighting by PC Collins.

2 That a dead male and a dead female were found on entry.

3 That a call for an ambulance was made in which two bodies were referred to.

4 That when the upstairs part of the house was gained, it was reported that THREE more bodies were found and not four.

5 That in a statement by one Neil Davidson, the following description of the scene downstairs is given: “One murder and one suicide.”

That is one hell of a lot of mistakes. I would say that they can't all be just mistakes, because they all add up to the same conclusion. Those cops, first found Sheila downstairs having, apparently, committed suicide and lying on the kitchen floor where she was visible to PC Collins when he looked through the window.

[Adam]

Adam - I repeat    We are not saying that is what happened - we are pointing out the logs that were made at the time - why do they give those timings for those discoveries ?  I am only interested in the documents not "assumptions" about what happened. If Sheila was upstairs and they did not go upstairs until 8.10 how did they know it was one murder and one suicide at 7.41?

Do you think Sheila was in the kitchen when the raid team entered WHF ?

[Jan]

Oh so Sheila was alive and not injured.

The experienced raid team shot Sheila by mistake. Then shot her again to kill her and make it look like murder/suicide.

Adam I have just posted the logs - what is your opinion on the logs made by the police on the morning?

[Mr. Gee]

Oh so Sheila was alive and not injured.

The experienced raid team shot Sheila by mistake. Then shot her again to kill her and make it look like murder/suicide.

No. Sheila shot herself. The mistake of shooting her again was accidental.

[Adam]

No. Sheila shot herself. The mistake of shooting her again was accidental.

Did the police by accident shoot her in the kitchen or bedroom ?

[Mr. Gee]

Did the police by accident shoot her in the kitchen or bedroom ?

Did you take note of my list of mistakes quoted from Dan Straker, or are you purposely ignoring them? You may find your answer by logically looking at them?