Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?

[Mr. Gee]

Perhaps they thought he was guilty, just not beyond all reasonable doubt.

Hi Neil. My contention is with the underlying seemingly prejudicial thoughts of Stan Jones when he implied that they voted not guilty because they were women. Thus implying that (1) that the two who voted not guilty were women. In other words he is presuming that they were women and (2) That they voted not guilty because they were women, thus implying that women in general cannot make a sound decision without swooning at the sight of a handsome Bamber?

[lookout]

Which makes out that they weren't concentrating on the case,instead were being sidetracked by his " film-star " image.Tut,tut.
It wouldn't have bothered me if he'd been as ugly as sin,I'd have been busy working out quite a few things,plus asking why some of the relatives were shown the door. What a thing to happen in a courtroom,eh ? The shame of it !!
At least Jeremy didn't kick up a fuss.

[Adam]

Which makes out that they weren't concentrating on the case,instead were being sidetracked by his " film-star " image.Tut,tut.
It wouldn't have bothered me if he'd been as ugly as sin,I'd have been busy working out quite a few things,plus asking why some of the relatives were shown the door. What a thing to happen in a courtroom,eh ? The shame of it !!
At least Jeremy didn't kick up a fuss.

No Bamber has kept very quiet on the case. 

Why do you think two female jurors did not vote guilty ?

Everyone agreed at trial it was Sheila's blood inside the silencer. And the rifle was too long for her to shoot herself with the silencer on.

So it was impossible to vote ' not guilty' on this alone. 

[lookout]

No Bamber has kept very quiet on the case. 

Why do you think two female jurors did not vote guilty ?

Everyone agreed at trial it was Sheila's blood inside the silencer. And the rifle was too long for her to shoot herself with the silencer on.

So it was impossible to vote ' not guilty' on this alone.

The jurors had been more or less coerced into to saying it was Sheilas' blood because all but two of them had been brainwashed by the judge putting words into their mouths instead of them working it out for themselves.

[Jan]

Hi Neil. My contention is with the underlying seemingly prejudicial thoughts of Stan Jones when he implied that they voted not guilty because they were women. Thus implying that (1) that the two who voted not guilty were women. In other words he is presuming that they were women and (2) That they voted not guilty because they were women, thus implying that women in general cannot make a sound decision without swooning at the sight of a handsome Bamber?

Perhaps the ones who voted not guilty : were the ones who were asking the judge what the family had to benefit by Jeremy being jailed ( being suspicious of the way they gave evidence) . Perhaps they did not believe Julies evidence. Perhaps they realised the  Judges summing up of the silencer evidence was flawed and not the same as they had heard from the experts ( true) . Perhaps they felt the silencer should not have been accepted as evidence as it had been removed from the crime scene in non forensic conditions. It has nothing to do with whether they were men or women.

[Jane]

Is there any way of revealing which way individual jury members voted? There seems to be a lot of sexist cant behind the "fact" that two females cried when the result was read out. Crying doesn't necessarily mean they thought he was innocent. Crying is simply an emotional response and I imagine the trial had  been traumatic. Tears would have been an appropriate response for some even if they'd believed he was guilty. Sadly, there are always those who think "Bang the ******* to rights. Job done." Nothing is ever that simple and to quote DB "Nobody wins".

[Jan]

Is there any way of revealing which way individual jury members voted? There seems to be a lot of sexist cant behind the "fact" that two females cried when the result was read out. Crying doesn't necessarily mean they thought he was innocent. Crying is simply an emotional response and I imagine the trial had  been traumatic. Tears would have been an appropriate response for some even if they'd believed he was guilty. Sadly, there are always those who think "Bang the ******* to rights. Job done." Nothing is ever that simple and to quote DB "Nobody wins".

No I think for obvious reasons that would be private. It is just another assumption. I am sure the trial was extremely stressful for all the jurors . Very harrowing and also a lot of evidence that was extremely difficult to understand .

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It's not a trial that I'd have relished at all. Bound to leave its mark-----------if you're human,that is !

[Jane]

No I think for obvious reasons that would be private. It is just another assumption. I am sure the trial was extremely stressful for all the jurors . Very harrowing and also a lot of evidence that was extremely difficult to understand .

So Adam's assertion is, like much else he says, spurious, when he claims that two females refused to believe he was guilty.

[Jan]

Well two women jurors cried when the verdict was being read out.

It is amazing that two jurors found him not guilty, or were undecided. No one disputed the silencer evidence at trial. Both the defence and prosecution agreeing it was on the rifle. In other words it was impossible for it to be Sheila.

The silencer evidence was brought up years later by Jeremy when he had no where else to go.

If Jeremy is innocent he does not have a clue what went on in the house - so of course he is going to bring up anything that he sees in documents that to him don't look right. What else can he do? Does not mean he is correct  , but just because an argument he brings up falls apart does not mean that he is guilty . He has over the years had to learn a lot ( whether guilty or innocent) in order to try and fight his conviction.

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 The dog would have told the story had it been able to speak,as before,and up until the raid team entered,it had been barking its head off------------then suddenly it stopped barking ? Was this because at that point Sheila had also stopped running amok,the dog thinking it had been a game of chase ?