Why was " Taff " Jones so adamant of Jeremys' innocence ?

[Alias]

Adam, for once all of the above makes sense to me. I VERY much doubt that any of it is yours but it DOES follow human psychology as I understand it.

It is HUGELY possible that Taff was mistaken but instead of giving him room to come to that conclusion he was ganged up on and bullied into changing his mind and he dug his heels in. There are the usual elements of dislike, distrust, greed, envy and class issues all being played out by various people. Adam, you of all people should understand that when people feel as if they're being backed into a corner they come out fighting, so unless you habitually wear waterproofs, best beware of fire fighters, eh.

Adam sounds like a different person than he normally does. I think he has in many posts in this thread.

There could be a number of reasons for that.

[Adam]

Adam, for once all of the above makes sense to me. I VERY much doubt that any of it is yours but it DOES follow human psychology as I understand it.

It is HUGELY possible that Taff was mistaken but instead of giving him room to come to that conclusion he was ganged up on and bullied into changing his mind and he dug his heels in. There are the usual elements of dislike, distrust, greed, envy and class issues all being played out by various people. Adam, you of all people should understand that when people feel as if they're being backed into a corner they come out fighting, so unless you habitually wear waterproofs, best beware of fire fighters, eh.

He wasn't bullied into changing his mind. He could stick with his opinion for the next twenty years if he wanted to.

Everyone else connected to the case believed if was Bamber. Both people above and below Taff. So Taff Jones could no longer head the investigation.

The police were not critical of Taff after securing the conviction. They just said it was unfortunate they were mistaken early on.

[Jane]

Or you could look at it another way if you are thinking of human psychology. That once someone else took over the investigation they all fell in line again?

Which would depend largely on that "someone's" charisma and how good they made others feel about themselves. They would have needed it in spades to generate a lasting loyalty.

[Adam]

Nevertheless he told them that she was a liar and that he didn't believe her. I'm sure Wilkes must have that bit in his book?

Have you got a source that Taff Jones said Julie is a liar.

Taff automatically said Julie must be lying after Bamber did not confess in the first few minutes of his first interview. Apart from that I have not read anything.

[Jane]

He wasn't bullied into changing his mind. He could stick with his opinion for the next twenty years if he wanted to.

Everyone else connected to the case believed if was Bamber. So Taff Jones could no longer head the investigation.

The police were not critical of Taff after securing the conviction. They just said it was unfortunate they were mistaken early on.

You can't be certain  of that.

You can't be certain that was the case.

What they SAID was irrelevant to how Taff may have felt.

[Caroline]

Just to put the record straight on something that always gets on my nerves whenever it's mentioned because I knew it was wrong but couldn't remember where I read it - just found it though .....

Jeremy didn't 'hum and pull out threads from his jumper' during interview - it was just after he was arrested at Dover and was waiting to be taken back to Essex.

(Source, Wilkes's book page 160).

[Mr. Gee]

Which would depend largely on that "someone's" charisma and how good they made others feel about themselves. They would have needed it in spades to generate a lasting loyalty.

I must suggest though that there are not many leaders. Most just go with the flow so to speak.

[Mr. Gee]

Have you got a source that Taff Jones said Julie is a liar.

Taff automatically said Julie must be lying after Bamber did not confess in the first few minutes of his first interview. Apart from that I have not read anything.

There you go then. Why ask for a source when you know it already yourself?

[Mr. Gee]

Just to put the record straight on something that always gets on my nerves whenever it's mentioned because I knew it was wrong but couldn't remember where I read it - just found it though .....

Jeremy didn't 'hum and pull out threads from his jumper' during interview - it was just after he was arrested at Dover and was waiting to be taken back to Essex.

(Source, Wilkes's book page 160).

Something Adam should have known then?

[Jane]

I must suggest though that there are not many leaders. Most just go with the flow so to speak.

Whilst in reality that may be so Grahame, in hierarchi groups, without that structure, there'd be anarchy.

[Caroline]

Something Adam should have known then?

Well, several people have brought this up when discussing Jeremy's witness statement and claimed he hummed and pulled threads out of his jumper during the interview but he did this before being interviewed. Adam say's he has read Wilkes's book so should know it didn't happen in interview but perhaps he is too easily influenced. You can believe Jeremy is guilty but I don't think it's fair to pick up on any little negative (fact or fiction - but especially fiction) you to bolster your argument.

[Adam]

Just to put the record straight on something that always gets on my nerves whenever it's mentioned because I knew it was wrong but couldn't remember where I read it - just found it though .....

Jeremy didn't 'hum and pull out threads from his jumper' during interview - it was just after he was arrested at Dover and was waiting to be taken back to Essex.

(Source, Wilkes's book page 160).

Don't know why you brought this up on this thread.

Anyway page 140 - 'He sat slouched in his chair. Staring hard at Stan Jones. Replying to questions in a sing song tone. Y-e-e-s or N-o-o-o.

[lookout]

Sitting slouched is confidence. Relaxed.
Sitting bolt upright is what nervous people do at an interview,which isn't usually their normal position.

[Adam]

Interestingly Taff Jones still believed Bamber was innocent after the DPP immediately said there was enough evidence to charge Bamber with murder.

[Caroline]

Don't know you brought this up on this thread.

Anyway page 140 - 'He sat slouched in his chair. Staring hard at Stan Jones. Replying to questions in a sing song tone. Y-e-e-s or N-o-o-o.

People confuse the two episodes and join them together - not just you.