New Evidence - Sheila "apologizes for everything" when speaking to police...

[mike tesko]

no Mike ,you stated you were unaware of Mrs Taffs death and within 30 mins came up with the death/houseclearance by relative. read it again mike. this thread is pure bullshit,mate i can see your making it up as your going along. If your not this type of thread does JB no favors

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I still don't know the date of "Taff" Jones widows death, but I do know the house was cleared out and the new material found there - so, you can call it bullshit or whatever you want, I think you are talking  bullshit...

[chochokeira]

no Mike ,you stated you were unaware of Mrs Taffs death and within 30 mins came up with the death/houseclearance by relative. read it again mike. this thread is pure bullshit,mate i can see your making it up as your going along. If your not this type of thread does JB no favors

Hi tonyb. Do you think you might be confusing Mike's writing style - he invariably adds information slowly on each thread, one para at a time - with invention?

[tonyb]

no i dont
he states he doesnt no she's dead and asks the forum for help
30 minutes later he states shes dead
now he doesnt now when she died which i can accept as he doesnt want to make a basic error on a date and get ripped to shreds
I do think he is doing an good job and sent him a personal message and supported him when we were in horseygate.
anyway, read the thread and youll see my opinion.

[mike tesko]

no i dont
he states he doesnt no she's dead and asks the forum for help
30 minutes later he states shes dead
now he doesnt now when she died which i can accept as he doesnt want to make a basic error on a date and get ripped to shreds
I do think he is doing an good job and sent him a personal message and supported him when we were in horseygate.
anyway, read the thread and youll see my opinion.

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Listen, have you been accessing my private emails, and reading what my contacts are telling me? I might not know something one minute, but by the time my contacts get in touch with me again, I could learn something new - I think you have worked it out that I received information from somebody, but I am not going to tell you who, or exactly what they told me, because I am still looking into the information I have received...

Now, you can call it bullshit, or whatever you want to...

I'm not particularly interested what you want to call it...

I know most people don't like the way I introduce bits of information and evidence along the way, but there is a purpose behind me doing that, there is a reason for it, and besides it is very interesting seeing people alter or change their views when something new is introduced into the pot of debate...

Imagine what a difference it would have made to the verdict of the jury if all this information and evidence had not been deliberately withheld and concealed from JB and the court which tried him?

I will just reiterate, that I do not know when "Taff" Jones widow died, although I accept that she must have died because the family home was cleared out and the new evidence discovered by a distant relative...

I cannot say much more than that...

[tonyb]

you must accept my sincere apology Mike. I must state however I have no access to your private EMail rest assured... It appears to me you have received some tasty info re. belongings of Taff and are tracing the next of kin that cleared the house to firm up some details. again ,many apologies for the mix up.  Tony.

[mike tesko]

you must accept my sincere apology Mike. I must state however I have no access to your private EMail rest assured... It appears to me you have received some tasty info re. belongings of Taff and are tracing the next of kin that cleared the house to firm up some details. again ,many apologies for the mix up.  Tony.

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Apology accepted, if and when I find out anything for definite, about when "Taff" Jones widow died, and where they lived, and who conducted the clear out, and who stumbled on this new evidence, I will introduce it as normal, or bit by bit, as the case may be...

[tonyb]

 

[chochokeira]

no i dont
he states he doesnt no she's dead and asks the forum for help
30 minutes later he states shes dead
now he doesnt now when she died which i can accept as he doesnt want to make a basic error on a date and get ripped to shreds
I do think he is doing an good job and sent him a personal message and supported him when we were in horseygate.
anyway, read the thread and youll see my opinion.

I wonder if  I might be responsible for this confusion, tonyb. Earlier, I posted some information about Hazel Jones which should have stated that I couldn't find her death in Essex. However, when I checked the post I realised that it appeared to suggest that I couldn't find any Hazel Jones' deaths at all. There were other errors in this post and, in copying it over to the forum, I'd also posted some personal data which I hadn't intended to post. So I removed the post. By then I had collected such a long list of data about possible matches for Hazel that I thought it too long for the list and sent the data direct to Mike instead. Perhaps you saw the post with the error and naturally took that to be correct? If so, I apologise for that.

[grahameb]

I can verify that Mike has been receiving new information regarding Taff Jones. I must however state that we are still evaluating this new information. Mike hasn't some secret stash of info if some of you may think and he is not witholding anything intentionally. It is just that we must be sure of our contacts. Therefore this information is very slow in coming. We know a little bit more about this relative and apparently he/she is not in this country and this makes communication a little more difficult. We daren't say much more until we are sure that this new evidence is safely in the hands of JB's legal team.

[jon]

I can verify that Mike has been receiving new information regarding Taff Jones. I must however state that we are still evaluating this new information. Mike hasn't some secret stash of info if some of you may think and he is not witholding anything intentionally. It is just that we must be sure of our contacts. Therefore this information is very slow in coming. We know a little bit more about this relative and apparently he/she is not in this country and this makes communication a little more difficult. We daren't say much more until we are sure that this new evidence is safely in the hands of JB's legal team.

So none of JB's legal team as seen any of this new evidence first hand ?

[mike tesko]

I can verify that Mike has been receiving new information regarding Taff Jones. I must however state that we are still evaluating this new information. Mike hasn't some secret stash of info if some of you may think and he is not witholding anything intentionally. It is just that we must be sure of our contacts. Therefore this information is very slow in coming. We know a little bit more about this relative and apparently he/she is not in this country and this makes communication a little more difficult. We daren't say much more until we are sure that this new evidence is safely in the hands of JB's legal team.

So none of JB's legal team as seen any of this new evidence first hand ?

... Aware of its content, but requiring the original material - hence the delay before it can be officially verified...

[TJB65]

Deaths in Essex during 1986 of men named Thomas Jones.

JONES, Thomas Arthur     Barking & Dagenham Essex 1986 July 
JONES, Thomas Edgar     Harlow Essex 1986 June
JONES, Thomas Emyr     Chelmsford Essex 1986 June
JONES, Thomas George     Southend on Sea Essex 1986 July
JONES, Thomas Henry     Harlow Essex 1986 May
JONES, Thomas Henry J   Epping Forest Essex 1986 December


JONES, Thomas Emyr     Chelmsford Essex 1986 June

looks good.


Name: JONES, Thomas Emyr     
 
Reg District:  Chelmsford, Essex
 
Year of Reg:  1986
 
Month of Reg:  June
 
Born:  21 June 1939
 
Order details: Vol:  9,    P:  1794,    Reg No:  686

The birth indexes - I want the location of the birth to help narrow down possible locations for a marriage - these indexes normally only give the full first name plus an initial of the middle name, which is annoying as Taff appears to have had such a distinctive middle name. However, the death data I have which gives Thomas Emyr's date of birth has at least enabled me to narrow a large number of Thomas E Jones births down to the following:


JONES Thomas E Staines Middlesex 1939 Apr-May-June
JONES Thomas E Cardiganshire Central Cardiganshire 1939 Apr-May-Jun   
JONES Thomas E Bangor Caernarvonshire 1939 Apr-May-Jun   
JONES Thomas E Bedwellty Monmouthshire 1939 Apr-May-Jun

Marriages 1960 onwards - there are hundreds of them, however the following looks good to me:

JONES Thomas E Colchester Essex 1961 Jan-Feb-Mar

Name: JONES, Thomas E
Reg District:  Colchester
Cty:  Essex
Year of Reg:  1961
Quarter of Reg:  Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's surname:  Thomas
Vol 4A,   P: 1175

Name: THOMAS, Hazel J
Reg District:   Colchester
Cty:  Essex
Year of Reg:  1961
Qtr of Reg:  Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's surname:  Jones
Vol:  4A, P:1175

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Any chance of trying to find out when and if, THOMAS, Hazel J , died, and when during the last five years? or longer?

I've sent the details off list, Mike, as there's a long list of possibles - unfortunately.

Its definitely Thomas Emyr Jones

[John]

Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.

They have had a lot of time to bring this out and failed to do so.  I don't think any of us would be making any apologies of any sort if shot in the throat.

[chelmsey]

For Chockokeira..............."Taff Jones" full name was Edward Thomas Jones.This may nail down your search a little easier.

[Richard lee]

Taff Jones had nine months in which to tell a lot of people if he spoke to Sheila. He apparently didn't tell anyone.

They have had a lot of time to bring this out and failed to do so.  I don't think any of us would be making any apologies of any sort if shot in the throat.

If this was true many would have known about this not just Taffy but it didn't happen. The Police had nothing to gain by all this so called cover up did they?