Amsterdam, a porsche & St Tropez. The future ?

[Patti]

Sorry my last post should have ended 'thread already created'.

Adam can I advise you in the nicest possible way to stop saying that a thread is already created.

We are all adults here, and I think it is only fair that this nonsense of saying that a thread is already created is put to a stop. 

If you have a problem with this then please feel free to send me a PM.  Thanks.

[maggie]

Colin Norris suspected MOJ on Panorama now.

[JackiePreece]

You know I can't get out of my mind the Jubilee photo,where Jeremy seems to know his place in the hierarchy of the family next to June,not standing with Nevill,whom he could never hope to emulate,and at this stage in his life seems a little unsteady to be sure,but certainly not beyond redemption as he looks towards the future. In Roger Wilkes' book we get the admission that things started to go wrong after he was eighteen years old,and of course June was hospitalized shortly after. To my mind it was the sheer weight of expectation on this young man's shoulders which made him look for an exit of sorts,and try as he undoubtedly did at Little Chef and Sloppy Joe's,jobs which he could leave behind at the end of the day and not have to worry about figures or external influences,his efforts were deemed to be not good enough.

I think Jeremy would have tired of the playboy lifestyle sooner than many people think,he longed for the simple domesticity which Suzette gave him,and had he been found innocent he may well have gone for a time to India to dabble in Buddhism as he suggested to Julie he might. The hints he dropped those six weeks between the murders and his questioning by Police,such as he was the only person who knew what happened that night might well have grown to the extent that more people than Julie would come to have known the dreadful truth,though of course no double jeopardy in those days. I firmly believe the truth will still emerge one day,because Jeremy was derailed through the powerful media influences of the day and deep down there is something there in that photograph and others of Jeremy as a child,which says to me that he was not all bad.

How could you possibly know that Jeremy could never emulate Neville
Have you spoken to him
Have you personally questioned him
Do you know what plans Jeremy had made for the future
Are you aware how Jeremy has handled him self in prison
Are you aware what prison officers think of Jeremy
Everything that has happened to Jeremy since he was a baby has not made him bitter
He was a young boy with his whole life in front of him and just wanted to settle down with a nice girl

[Steve_uk]

How could you possibly know that Jeremy could never emulate Neville
Have you spoken to him
Have you personally questioned him
Do you know what plans Jeremy had made for the future
Are you aware how Jeremy has handled him self in prison
Are you aware what prison officers think of Jeremy
Everything that has happened to Jeremy since he was a baby has not made him bitter
He was a young boy with his whole life in front of him and just wanted to settle down with a nice girl

Many farmers couldn't emulate Nevill,let alone Jeremy,who was born in Kensington,London to an Army Sergeant,who doubtless had the killer instinct necessary for that profession. He was uprooted from that locale and put slap bang in the country,whether it was the thirty weeks a year he spent at Gresham's School in Holt,Norfolk or the rest of the time in that outwardly imposing but inwardly lugubrious and dreary Georgian dwelling,White House Farm.I doubt Jeremy had made many fixed plans for the future,symptomatic of many of us at that age. I'm sure the Prison Officers think Jeremy is a model prisoner,apart from his "dirty" protest of 1992,which got him nowhere. I personally don't think he is getting much rehabilitation at all,far more punishment when you think of the attack in 2004 which nearly killed him,and which many people in the higher echelons of authority probably wished had killed him,so sick of the ramifications of this case they appear to be, whether he remains inside or let out: for them the case seems nothing but trouble.

I'm sorry Jackie,but you have to understand that Jeremy is a convicted child-killer,and maybe this is better coming from someone whom you do not know,who wishes you no harm and for whom studying this case is heartbreaking,but who can switch off at the end of the day and not get personally involved. We could argue about what rights Colin has now,we could argue about whether Jeremy's increase in sentence was justified or not,and we could argue about respectable people who act for no personal gain because they feel bad about the whole business and think something is not quite right.

[Mr. Gee]

Many farmers couldn't emulate Nevill,let alone Jeremy,who was born in Kensington,London to an Army Sergeant,who doubtless had the killer instinct necessary for that profession. He was uprooted from that locale and put slap bang in the country,whether it was the thirty weeks a year he spent at Gresham's School in Holt,Norfolk or the rest of the time in that outwardly imposing but inwardly lugubrious and dreary Georgian dwelling,White House Farm.I doubt Jeremy had made many fixed plans for the future,symptomatic of many of us at that age. I'm sure the Prison Officers think Jeremy is a model prisoner,apart from his "dirty" protest of 1992,which got him nowhere. I personally don't think he is getting much rehabilitation at all,far more punishment when you think of the attack in 2004 which nearly killed him,and which many people in the higher echelons of authority probably wished had killed him,so sick of the ramifications of this case they appear to be, whether he remains inside or let out: for them the case seems nothing but trouble.

I'm sorry Jackie,but you have to understand that Jeremy is a convicted child-killer,and maybe this is better coming from someone whom you do not know,who wishes you no harm and for whom studying this case is heartbreaking,but who can switch off at the end of the day and not get personally involved. We could argue about what rights Colin has now,we could argue about whether Jeremy's increase in sentence was justified or not,and we could argue about respectable people who act for no personal gain because they feel bad about the whole business and think something is not quite right.

It appears that you have not answered one of Jackie's questions?

[JackiePreece]

Many farmers couldn't emulate Nevill,let alone Jeremy,who was born in Kensington,London to an Army Sergeant,who doubtless had the killer instinct necessary for that profession. He was uprooted from that locale and put slap bang in the country,whether it was the thirty weeks a year he spent at Gresham's School in Holt,Norfolk or the rest of the time in that outwardly imposing but inwardly lugubrious and dreary Georgian dwelling,White House Farm.I doubt Jeremy had made many fixed plans for the future,symptomatic of many of us at that age. I'm sure the Prison Officers think Jeremy is a model prisoner,apart from his "dirty" protest of 1992,which got him nowhere. I personally don't think he is getting much rehabilitation at all,far more punishment when you think of the attack in 2004 which nearly killed him,and which many people in the higher echelons of authority probably wished had killed him,so sick of the ramifications of this case they appear to be, whether he remains inside or let out: for them the case seems nothing but trouble.

I'm sorry Jackie,but you have to understand that Jeremy is a convicted child-killer,and maybe this is better coming from someone whom you do not know,who wishes you no harm and for whom studying this case is heartbreaking,but who can switch off at the end of the day and not get personally involved. We could argue about what rights Colin has now,we could argue about whether Jeremy's increase in sentence was justified or not,and we could argue about respectable people who act for no personal gain because they feel bad about the whole business and think something is not quite right.

Princess Diana went to a top school and regarded by some people as thick but look what she achieved
Everything and two wonderful sons

You are commenting on someone who was just a boy, just starting out

Jeremy could have achieved anything how could we know

You know full well Steve that Jeremy would never have been convicted of the jury had all the evidence that has come to light since the trial plus the knowledge of the NOTW deal

[Steve_uk]

There are four million documents accompanying this case,and I have the utmost respect for those going through the legal channels to attempt to secure his release. Of course Jeremy would not have been convicted today had all that evidence been put before a jury,but then you might have had others denied justice,relatives who meant far more to them than they ever did to Jeremy. Of course it's easy to find fault with any individual if you look hard enough,and Jeremy is no exception.

[Patti]

There are four million documents accompanying this case,and I have the utmost respect for those going through the legal channels to attempt to secure his release. Of course Jeremy would not have been convicted today had all that evidence been put before a jury,but then you might have had others denied justice,relatives who meant far more to them than they ever did to Jeremy. Of course it's easy to find fault with any individual if you look hard enough,and Jeremy is no exception.

I agree Steve, its a laborious task for anyone to take on. At the moment Jeremy is without a solicitor. Or if he is with a solicitor its being kept quiet.

If Jeremy is innocent then its the biggest case of miscarriage of justice this Country has seen.  If he is guilty as was the case in 1986 then it will be very difficult to prove he innocent.

However, Jeremy remains and has always remained hopeful that one day the truth will set him free.

There are so many faults with this case from the onset and during his plight for freedom, its almost unreal. I suppose for me its the destruction of evidence when a man was fighting for his innocence that hits me harder than anything else in this case; especially as new scientific methods of DNA profiling was on the brink of success.  Just what if there was something in that pile of documents/clothing that could have exonerated him?? It could be of course that there was something there that could have enforced the position of guilt.  Its just that we will never know, will we. Yet a man might remain incarcerated all his life through a mistake made by the authorities.  This is what annoys me the most, the not knowing and failing to gain any sort of closure one way or the other.

Benefit of the doubt??? If in doubt do nothing.   

[Adam]

I agree Steve, its a laborious task for anyone to take on. At the moment Jeremy is without a solicitor. Or if he is with a solicitor its being kept quiet.

If Jeremy is innocent then its the biggest case of miscarriage of justice this Country has seen.  If he is guilty as was the case in 1986 then it will be very difficult to prove he innocent.

However, Jeremy remains and has always remained hopeful that one day the truth will set him free.

There are so many faults with this case from the onset and during his plight for freedom, its almost unreal. I suppose for me its the destruction of evidence when a man was fighting for his innocence that hits me harder than anything else in this case; especially as new scientific methods of DNA profiling was on the brink of success.  Just what if there was something in that pile of documents/clothing that could have exonerated him?? It could be of course that there was something there that could have enforced the position of guilt.  Its just that we will never know, will we. Yet a man might remain incarcerated all his life through a mistake made by the authorities.  This is what annoys me the most, the not knowing and failing to gain any sort of closure one way or the other.

Benefit of the doubt??? If in doubt do nothing.   

The truth is as clear as day.

The police arrested him, the DPP quickly accepted the case. The courts found him guilty and the appeal courts have constantly rejected appeals.

He had the advantage that it was a high profile case. And has skilfully kept a high profile, protesting his innocence. Out of billions of people in the world, a handful have latched on and started supporting him. Even some of these have changed their minds.

The case was not complex. It was an 'inheritance killing'. Although Jeremy also had deep hatred towards June & Neville and resentment for Sheila. No doubt he was indifferent to the twins, rarely seeing them over six years, being in different countries or cities.

[Adam]

There are four million documents accompanying this case,and I have the utmost respect for those going through the legal channels to attempt to secure his release. Of course Jeremy would not have been convicted today had all that evidence been put before a jury,but then you might have had others denied justice,relatives who meant far more to them than they ever did to Jeremy. Of course it's easy to find fault with any individual if you look hard enough,and Jeremy is no exception.

Of course he would be convicted today. With forensic advancements and new crime scene protocols it would be even more conclusive.

This has been discussed before in another thread.

[lookout]

Forensic advancements are such,that it would have been in Jeremys favour to have tested the " blood mixture " that was found. So much has been said,particularly by an independent scientist whose answer was that it indeed WAS a mixture of June and Nevilles' blood-------------so stop talking such rot !

[Adam]

The Notting Hill carnival was after Jeremy had arranged to get everything at WHF valued. Liz Rimmington joining Brett, Jeremy and Julie.

Brett was going everywhere with them both.  Even laying his head on Jeremy's lap.  Even Julies  intimate 21st birthday party with her parents,  Brett tagged along. Making a crass toast saying they were getting engaged

[Adam]

Interesting Susan Battersby, not (Liz Rimmington) was the first person Julie confided in. Telling her what she told the police, about Bamber paying MM.

Saying she still loved him but disliked him as a person.

Susan always felt there was something disturbing about Bamber.

[Patti]

The Notting Hill carnival was after Jeremy had arranged to get everything at WHF valued. Liz Rimmington joining Brett, Jeremy and Julie.

Brett was going everywhere with them both.  Even laying his head on Jeremy's lap.  Even Julies  intimate 21st birthday party with her parents,  Brett tagged along. Making a crass toast saying they were getting engaged

It would be very naughty of Jeremy to say to Brett I am going out to a party and you can't come.  Brett was a friend and an overseas visitor....I believe that JM was jealous that Brett tagged along, but what else could he do?

Ha! The toast of the engagement.....not a nice thing to do IMO.  It would have been embarrassing. 

[Adam]

Robert Boutflour was continuing his investigation.

Finding three routes to/from WHF. Two of them could be used by foot or bike.