Sheila not fighting back. Why ?

[Adam]

Supporters of  Bamber often claim Sheila would have violently fought for her and her son's lives when confronted by a gun man. However it looks like she did not as she had no marks. There are lots of possible reasons why she was mark free. 

Colin Caffell said Sheila would have committed suicide with her twins. Being surprisingly found in the far corner of the main bedroom suggests she was either lead or carried a few feet in the dark while half asleep. Being shot before she realised what was going down. Mid night family massacres are rare in Essex. 

The other alternative is she heard the kitchen fight and automatically went into the main bedroom hoping for protection from her parents. Then retreated into the far corner, frozen and terrified when seeing a gunman in the dark. 

Either way there is no reason why a shot couldn't be quickly aimed and fired at the head area. Which immobilised Sheila. The second shot being fatal.

[lookout]

 Mid night family massacres are rare in Essex. ?? It wasn't midnight. Around that time/80's,there were a lot of murders/shootings in Essex-------------read up about the Essex Triangle.

[Alias]

I cannot take this seriously. Why would Jeremy "lead" or "carry" (yeah right!) Sheila into the bedroom, literally stepping over the bloddied, dead body of her mother? Risking a terrible scene.

This is a non-starter for me. It didn´t happen this way.

[Patti]

Supporters of  Bamber often claim Sheila would have violently fought for her and her son's lives when confronted by a gun man. However it looks like she did not as she had no marks. There are lots of possible reasons why she was mark free.

Colin Caffell said Sheila would have committed suicide with her twins. Being surprisingly found in the far corner of the main bedroom suggests she was either lead or carried a few feet in the dark while half asleep. Being shot before she realised what was going down. Mid night family massacres are rare in Essex.

The other alternative is she heard the kitchen fight and automatically went into the main bedroom hoping for protection from her parents. Then retreated into the far corner, frozen and terrified when seeing a gunman in the dark.

Either way there is no reason why a shot couldn't be quickly aimed and fired at the head area. Which immobilised Sheila. The second shot being fatal.

I have never claimed that Adam.  If Sheila was under a delusion at the time she would not have fought for her children.

It was not dark Adam, the main bedroom light was on.  She could have retreated that I grant you. She was found near the door which leads into the box room.  So you must ask yourself the same question? Why go to her parents room and not her children's room?  Or was she on her way to her children and trying to use the door that leads from the main bedroom, to the box room then the children's room?

Sheila would have known probably that the exit to the children's was blocked. I don't think we have ever seen a photo showing that door....unless it was behind the large wardrobe? Maybe? 

[Alias]

I have never claimed that Adam.  If Sheila was under a delusion at the time she would not have fought for her children.

It was not dark Adam, the main bedroom light was on.  She could have retreated that I grant you. She was found near the door which leads into the box room.  So you must ask yourself the same question? Why go to her parents room and not her children's room?  Or was she on her way to her children and trying to use the door that leads from the main bedroom, to the box room then the children's room?

Sheila would have known probably that the exit to the children's was blocked. I don't think we have ever seen a photo showing that door....unless it was behind the large wardrobe? Maybe? 

I am not sure that door from box room to children´s room was entirely blocked?

[Patti]

I am not sure that door from box room to children´s room was entirely blocked?

Hi Alias to be honest I'm not sure either.  For some reason I have it in my head that it was not accessible on the night...Maybe I have read this somewhere.  It could have been from CC's book? Or Hartley/Vic had mentioned it. I wonder if there is anyway we could find out. 

[Alias]

Hi Alias to be honest I'm not sure either.  For some reason I have it in my head that it was not accessible on the night...Maybe I have read this somewhere.  It could have been from CC's book? Or Hartley/Vic had mentioned it. I wonder if there is anyway we could find out. 

Look at how June is placed. There is no way Jeremy "led" or "carried" (sigh) Sheila into the bedroom!

[Jan]

she did not fight back because she was the aggressor?

[Patti]

Look at how June is placed. There is no way Jeremy "led" or "carried" (sigh) Sheila into the bedroom!

Its a mystery how she got their if she is indeed innocent, Alias.  Even if Sheila had showered, which is possible, having being menstruating at the time. This could explain the clothing in the buckets.

If she had showered then she would have to had walked passed her mother to get back into the main bedroom.  My theory is that it was in a perfect advantage point to watch what was happening outside from both windows of the box room where Jeaps saw a rifle leaning at the window and the main bedroom window, but that is all it a theory.

The diagram shows the doors and windows but does not tell us if those windows and doors could have been opened or accessed.  Where is Hartley when you need him? Its such a shame he is no longer with us.   

[Patti]

she did not fight back because she was the aggressor?

Hi Lookout

It would have been difficult to fight anyone who is threatening you with a rifle...its makes perfect sense, otherwise you risk the chance of being shot.  The rifle was long so who ever it was that pointed the rifle at that poor family could have grabbed it at some point, but they didn't....or if they did they were not successful.  I doubt we will ever know. 

[lookout]

 That was Jans' post Patti ( don't want to take the credit  )

However,I agree with what's been said.

[Patti]

That was Jans' post Patti ( don't want to take the credit  )

However,I agree with what's been said.

Was it?  I don't know what planet I'm on some days....lol 

[lookout]

Was it?  I don't know what planet I'm on some days....lol 

Snap.

[Adam]

I cannot take this seriously. Why would Jeremy "lead" or "carry" (yeah right!) Sheila into the bedroom, literally stepping over the bloddied, dead body of her mother? Risking a terrible scene.

This is a non-starter for me. It didn´t happen this way.

There is a thread - 'Was Sheila carried to the main bedroom'. She was very light so I do not see why Jeremy could not have carried her a few feet. Or she was lead, or retreated.

Either way Colin Caffell said she would have shot herself with her children.

[maggie]

There is a thread - 'Was Sheila carried to the main bedroom'. She was very light so I do not see why Jeremy could not have carried her a few feet. Or she was lead, or retreated.

Either way Colin Caffell said she would have shot herself with her children.

Adam, Sheila was pretty much 5'8 not that much shorter than Jeremy, how on earth did he carry her?
B) Colin Caffel wasn't there and is making assumptions he doesn't know what a psychotic, irrational Sheila capable of such a massacre would have done.