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Offline Adam

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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #240 on: January 21, 2015, 11:36:AM »
He hasn't changed the time of his fathers call to him  JUST the time he called the police.

Neville was wrong thinking Jeremy would 'come quickly'. He didn't even phone the police for 26 minutes. Eventually entering WHF days later. Or was it weeks later.



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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #241 on: January 21, 2015, 11:38:AM »
Neville was wrong thinking Jeremy would 'come quickly'. He didn't even phone the police for 26 minutes. Eventually entering WHF days later. Or was it weeks later.

Now you're getting the point!
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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #242 on: January 21, 2015, 11:48:AM »
Now you're getting the point!

Neville obviously needed assistance urgently.

Why do you believe Neville believed Jeremy would rush over ?

Neville was very very wrong about his own son.  Bamber didn't attempt to go within 50 yards of the front door on the night.   
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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #243 on: January 21, 2015, 12:18:PM »
Neville obviously needed assistance urgently.

Why do you believe Neville believed Jeremy would rush over ?

Neville was very very wrong about his own son.  Bamber didn't attempt to go within 50 yards of the front door on the night.

Why are you asking me that? I obviously don't think the call happened so don't believe that Nevill thought Jeremy would rush over!  ::)
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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #244 on: January 21, 2015, 12:30:PM »
I have previously focused on the "arm," running horizontally along the bottom of the window, being difficult to place into the closed position from outside. I had omitted to mention the handle, in the mid-way position of the window, which is the usual means of undoing and pushing the window open, thus providing a double locking/fastening facility. I don't believe it would be possible to put ONE of these requirements into action from outside, let alone both.



You appear to be focusing on me and ignoring the point I made. I would be very interested to hear how you think Jeremy could successfully CLOSE such a window from outside, let alone LOCK it.

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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #245 on: January 21, 2015, 12:33:PM »
All I can think is Neville was 'very very' wrong in believing Bamber would rush over and risk his life with Sheila holding a gun.

Bamber instead rang the police, after 26 minutes.  Although Neville apparently preferred to keep things private. Thanks a lot son.
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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #246 on: January 21, 2015, 12:35:PM »
All I can think is Neville was 'very very' wrong in believing Bamber would rush over and risk his life with Sheila holding a gun.

Bamber instead rang the police, after 26 minutes.  Although Neville apparently preferred to keep things private. Thanks a lot son.

You really don't do yourself ANY favours do you Adam?  ::)
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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #247 on: February 21, 2015, 11:12:AM »
RB's diary is another source. The 14th source. And a primary source.
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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #248 on: February 21, 2015, 11:24:AM »
The diary-------------after the event !!  Had none of them anything better to do than " spy" on a young man,who,one day would have ran the farm at WHF,much to everyones chagrin ? That's what this was all about.

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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #249 on: March 03, 2015, 10:03:AM »
Robert Boutflour's WS backs up his diary. Saying the kitchen window could easily be locked from outside.

Fifteen.
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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #250 on: March 03, 2015, 10:11:AM »
 I think it's " time for closure " on your part as you're fighting a LOSING battle.

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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #251 on: March 03, 2015, 12:14:PM »
Robert Boutflour's WS backs up his diary. Saying the kitchen window could easily be locked from outside.

Fifteen.


Well he would, wouldn't he!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #252 on: March 03, 2015, 12:23:PM »

Well he would, wouldn't he!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a good point.  Perhaps all of my 15 sources are wrong.
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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #253 on: March 03, 2015, 12:37:PM »
That's a good point.  Perhaps all of my 15 sources are wrong.



If HE was your only source I imagine a few would be questionable.

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Re: The lockable from outside window. A time for closure ?
« Reply #254 on: March 03, 2015, 04:43:PM »
If HE was your only source I imagine a few would be questionable.

The defense didn't rebut the relatives' trial testimony that the window could be locked from the outside. The family testified they were told this window could be locked from the outside and they tried it out and were able to get the latch to fall into the locked position from the outside. The latch moved up to unlock and down to lock so it will lock if it falls. Julie testified that Jeremy told her such window could be locked form the outside so established Jeremy was aware of it and planned to use it to get out.

They didn't have any expert examine the window and declare he tried to lock the window from the outside but was unable to ever do so and that it was not possible to do in his opinion.  This suggests they were unable to find someone to test it who was willing to say it could not be locked from the outside.

The defense simply had Jeremy testify that to his knowledge the window could not be locked from the outside. 

Who could be a more untrustworthy witness on this issue than Jeremy?  Even on appeal the defense failed to come up with someone who would say it is impossible to get the latch to fall from the outside.  It might be worth a little if they had someone assert such in the pardon application.  They had no one who could say that though.

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