Author Topic: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?  (Read 6598 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Mr. Gee

  • Guest
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2014, 05:29:PM »


 If he went to all that trouble to dispose of incriminating evidence WHY, oh why, didn't he include the silencer instead of putting it somewhere where, at SOME point, it would be found? I don't object to him being guilty but I find it offensive when, after all this time, no one can categorically say how he did it without resorting to make believe.
Persacerly April. As John would say, "It's not rocket science". ;)

Offline Alias

  • Editor
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9435
  • What is in those 200 boxes?
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #61 on: December 05, 2014, 05:37:PM »

Lookout, I wasn't aware that Sheila had damaged herself at the party -although I believe that at some time she cut herself when she smashed a glass/window/mirror in anger- she said she was tired and asked Colin to take her home but as he's been drinking, Jeremy and Julie took her.

That´s right. Jeremy drove Sheila to the emergency unit at a hospital after she had rammed her hand through a window at her apartment. And correct, Colin was too intoxicated to drive her, so they (or he) asked Jeremy to do it.
Jeremy also drove Sheila home from that party because, again, Colin was too drunk to drive.
So two different occasions.
Sheila´s blood could well have still been in Jeremy´s car since the time he drove her to the hospital.

Offline maggie

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13651
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2014, 05:41:PM »
That´s right. Jeremy drove Sheila to the emergency unit at a hospital after she had rammed her hand through a window at her apartment. And correct, Colin was too intoxicated to drive her, so they (or he) asked Jeremy to do it.
Jeremy also drove Sheila home from that party because, again, Colin was too drunk to drive.
So two different occasions.
Sheila´s blood could well have still been in Jeremy´s car since the time he drove her to the hospital.
Good thinking Alias  and as it would only need to have been a tiny drop it may not have been noticed by either of them.

Offline Alias

  • Editor
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9435
  • What is in those 200 boxes?
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2014, 05:45:PM »


So, he went to the trouble of hiding the clothes but omitted to go to the same lengths with the HIGHLY incriminating silencer when at the VERY least, he had a creek full which would have ensured it never again saw the light of day.....................but then of course, maybe the silencer was never used.

You are right again.
If Jeremy disposed of bloodied clothing, it shows us that he had focus on incriminating blood evidence.
Then, putting the silencer with blood, paint and a hair on it in the gun cupboard seems very unlikely. He would have disposed of that too, or at least cleaned it.
What makes this even more unlikely is that he handed the keys over to Ann Eaton, quite care free of the possibility of her or other relatives discovering the silencer.

John

  • Guest
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #64 on: December 05, 2014, 05:48:PM »
Speculation upon speculation...

What is beyond doubt is that his own stupidity placed him at the murder scene.   What he did with the blood spattered clothes is somewhat academic.   :D

The blood stained silencer was probably put away in panic.  Little did he think it would form part of the investigation since Sheila was set up to make her death look like she committed suicide.  As Essex Police missed the silencer QED.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2014, 05:51:PM by John »

Offline Alias

  • Editor
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9435
  • What is in those 200 boxes?
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #65 on: December 05, 2014, 05:50:PM »
Speculation upon speculation...

What is beyond doubt is that his own stupidity placed him at the murder scene.   What he did with the blood spattered clothes is somewhat academic.   :D

Yes, we all speculate.
In some instances in this case, all you have to go on is your own sense of logic - and we all vary, right!  ;D

Offline lookout

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 48676
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #66 on: December 05, 2014, 05:54:PM »
 We do indeed,Alias. ;D ;D ;D ;D Some are more logical than others  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33783
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #67 on: December 05, 2014, 05:56:PM »
Speculation upon speculation...

What is beyond doubt is that his own stupidity placed him at the murder scene.   What he did with the blood spattered clothes is somewhat academic.   :D

The blood stained silencer was probably put away in panic.  Little did he think it would form part of the investigation since Sheila was set up to make her death look like she committed suicide.  As Essex Police missed the silencer QED.



Asd you say, speculation upon speculation  ;)

Offline maggie

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13651
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #68 on: December 05, 2014, 05:58:PM »
However open my mind is, I find it almost impossible to believe that silencer was discovered with all necessary clues stuck on it.

Mr. Gee

  • Guest
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #69 on: December 05, 2014, 06:00:PM »
Speculation upon speculation...

What is beyond doubt is that his own stupidity placed him at the murder scene.   What he did with the blood spattered clothes is somewhat academic.   :D

The blood stained silencer was probably put away in panic.  Little did he think it would form part of the investigation since Sheila was set up to make her death look like she committed suicide.  As Essex Police missed the silencer QED.
Any speculation on here is yours. We must only deal in facts and nothing puts Bamber at the scene of the crime.

Mr. Gee

  • Guest
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #70 on: December 05, 2014, 06:01:PM »
Yes, we all speculate.
In some instances in this case, all you have to go on is your own sense of logic - and we all vary, right!  ;D
Except John's speculation contains no logic whatsoever.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2014, 06:02:PM by Mr. Gee »

Offline lookout

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 48676
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #71 on: December 05, 2014, 06:05:PM »
However open my mind is, I find it almost impossible to believe that silencer was discovered with all necessary clues stuck on it.





I agree Maggie. It was too pre-arranged for my liking,as though it had literally been planted. It's surprising how many people think this way.
It was " placed " in the cupboard,the same as the rifle was " placed " on Sheilas' body,along with the Bible.

Offline Alias

  • Editor
  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9435
  • What is in those 200 boxes?
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2014, 06:11:PM »
However open my mind is, I find it almost impossible to believe that silencer was discovered with all necessary clues stuck on it.

I agree - it seems too convenient!

Offline susan

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 16196
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #73 on: December 05, 2014, 06:19:PM »
Maggie logic tells me the silencer was not used by either Sheila or Jeremy.  Think we all have our own ideas where this all started.  Whoever committed the murders at WHF would not have gone to all that trouble of putting it back in a box and into the back of the cupboard no logic in that.

Offline lookout

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 48676
Re: Jeremy disposing his massacre clothes: A time for closure ?
« Reply #74 on: December 05, 2014, 06:26:PM »
Especially when the " accused " was outside with the police, as large as life. Nobody's that stupid---------are they ?  ;D While the silencer is sitting in the cupboard ? Oh,I don't think so.