Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...

[mike tesko]

Since, 'Ivor' Montgomery, does not state a particular time to his removal of the rifle from Sheila's body (unlike, 'Ron'Cook, and PS Woodcock, who's accounts can be verified in sequential order and time) if police are responsible for staging Sheila's body prior to the scene being handed over to SOCO at 10 O'clock, it strongly suggests that 'Ivor' Montgomery was responsible for removing the rifle from Sheila's body, after PS Woodcock shot and killed Sheila during a training exercise that went dramatically wrong whilst senior officers were present inside the bedroom, at a time when they were carrying out familiars upon and ariund Sheila's body with a loaded rifle which had not moved from the bedroom window, since WPC Julia Jeapes first spotted the same rifle leaning up against the same window, since before the raid team set off to enter the building at around 7.30am...

[mike tesko]

The way I see it, the rifle was removed from Sheila's body on three separate occasions, once by 'Ivor' Montgomery, secondly, by 'Ron'Cook, and lastly, by PS Woodcock...

[mike tesko]

The way I see it, the rifle was removed from Sheila's body on three separate occasions, once by 'Ivor' Montgomery, secondly, by 'Ron'Cook, and lastly, by PS Woodcock...

The key event, being the removal of the rifle by 'Ivor' Montgomery, from Sheila's body prior to the crime scene being handed over to SOCO ('Ron' Cook, 'David' Bird, 'David' Hammersley, and 'Neil' Davidson) at 10 O'clock, and the taking of photographs, in particular, with the rifle back on the body, after 'Ivor' Montgomery, had already taken the gun away...

The sequence of events which I have outlined here, supports the argument for the police having stage managed Sheila's body, the rifle was put back on the body after 'Ivor' Montgomery had previously taken it away. Sheila's body and the gun upon it, as shown in the photographs taken by SOCO 'David Bird after 10 O'clock, cannot be the same, uninterferred with pisition she was originally found in by the raid team, because the rifle has clearky been offered to the body (Woodcock), removed from the body (Montgomery), and offered back onto the body by one of the senior officers present inside the bedroom when Woodcock discharged a loaded rifle into the victims brain...

According to David Shaw, DCI 'Taff' Jones was the person who was offering a broom handle onto Sheila's body, with the view of gauging the angles at which the two wounds on her throat could have been discharged almost simaltaneously, but the information I have been given, is that he put the actual rifle back on the body, and gave instructions to SOCO to photograph the body with the rifle positioned on her body for the purpose of satisfying the coroner that Sheila had killed the other victims and then taken her life with use of the rifle...

This, is what really did happen...

[Steve_uk]

The key event, being the removal of the rifle by 'Ivor' Montgomery, from Sheila's body prior to the crime scene being handed over to SOCO ('Ron' Cook, 'David' Bird, 'David' Hammersley, and 'Neil' Davidson) at 10 O'clock, and the taking of photographs, in particular, with the rifle back on the body, after 'Ivor' Montgomery, had already taken the gun away...

The sequence of events which I have outlined here, supports the argument for the police having stage managed Sheila's body, the rifle was put back on the body after 'Ivor' Montgomery had previously taken it away. Sheila's body and the gun upon it, as shown in the photographs taken by SOCO 'David Bird after 10 O'clock, cannot be the same, uninterferred with pisition she was originally found in by the raid team, because the rifle has clearky been offered to the body (Woodcock), removed from the body (Montgomery), and offered back onto the body by one of the senior officers present inside the bedroom when Woodcock discharged a loaded rifle into the victims brain...

According to David Shaw, DCI 'Taff' Jones was the person who was offering a broom handle onto Sheila's body, with the view of gauging the angles at which the two wounds on her throat could have been discharged almost simaltaneously, but the information I have been given, is that he put the actual rifle back on the body, and gave instructions to SOCO to photograph the body with the rifle positioned on her body for the purpose of satisfying the coroner that Sheila had killed the other victims and then taken her life with use of the rifle...

This, is what really did happen...

Mike I am perfectly prepared to accept that the Police moved Sheila's body in some manner in the master bedroom. Could you just recap at what time WPC Jeapes saw a rifle leaning against the window sill and whether this had disappeared from the said position before the Raid Team stormed the Farm.

[mike tesko]

The following sequence occurred, in the shooting dead of Sheila in the bedroom, and the stage managing of her body prior to the scene being handed over to SOCO at 10 'clock:-

(1) - Woodcock offers rifle (taken from its position against bedroom window) onto body of Sheila (discharges fatal round)

(2) - Montgomery removes it...

(3) - DCI 'Taff' Jones replaces it back on body...

(4) - 'Ron' Cook removes rifle from body and places rifle back against window...

(5) - rifle back on body ?

(6) - PS Woodcock removes rifle from body...

[mike tesko]

Mike I am perfectly prepared to accept that the Police moved Sheila's body in some manner in the master bedroom. Could you just recap at what time WPC Jeapes saw a rifle leaning against the window sill and whether this had disappeared from the said position before the Raid Team stormed the Farm.

Hi steve_uk,

the rifle first appeared at the bedroom window at about 7.15am, it was not seen there by anyone prior to it being seen at the window after the arrival of the second group of firearms officers who arrived at the scene by 7am. WPC Julia Jeapes was amongst this group of officers. She was instructed to take up a position in the grounds of the farmhouse as part of surveillance and containment duties, in preparation for the raid team to enter the farmhouse to bring the seige to an end. Once she clapped eyes on the rifle, as I understand it, she was instructed to keep 'eyeball' on that rifle, and report immediately to the commander of the firearms operation based at the forward control point, if it moved at all. Whilst keeping eyeball on the rifle, she observed the raid team making its approach toward the farmhouse. At no stage did that rifle move from its position against the bedroom window. It remained there, at all times until the firearms officers left the scene at around 9am...

There can be no way the original members of the raid team could have found Sheila's body on the bedroom floor by 8.10am, with the rifle atop of it, and sge having got two bullet wounds in her neck, because the rifle at the window did not move from there at all until the operation concluded at around 9am, and WPC Julia Jeapes, and others, left the scene...

This is what really did happen...

[mike tesko]

How could the rifle at the window, have been on the body of Sheila, when the raid team entered the farmhouse at around 7.30am, in keeping with WPC Julia Jeapes sighting of the sane rifle leaning against the bedroom window at 7.15am?

How did the rifle find its way from the window onto the body between 7.15 and 7.30am, if everyone inside the building had already been killed by Jeremy or anyone else? Movement of the rifle inside the farmhouse during these crucial moments, must surely be proof enough to persuade everybody that Jeremy Bamber could not possibly have killed his sister, nor did he stage manage her body to make police think she had taken her own life?

How could he possibly have had anything at all to do in the transportation of the rifle that fired the fatal bullet (pv/19) which killed Sheila, had moved as if by magic, from the window onto the body, whilst he (Jeremy) was sat in a police car with PS 'Oliver' Saxby, at all times the rifle at the window was in WPC Julia Jeapes sight, between 7.15 and 9am?

[Steve_uk]

Trawling through the archives I came across this:http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1387.0

[mike tesko]

If Jeremy was the killer, who almost got away with committing the perfect murder, had not the silencer been found downstairs with Sheila's blood inside it, hey - but hang on a minute,  if the rifle whch fired the fatal shot that killed her was the rifle at the bedroom window, how can anyone say or suggest that he almost got away with the perfect murder, because if he had killed his sister, what sort of a prat would leave the victims body on the bedroom floor, and the rifle which fired the bullet that killed her was in another part of the bedroom leaning against the bedroom window?

So, rifle that fired the fatal bullet was not found on the body, it was leaning against the window, and the silencer with Sheila's blood inside it, was hidden in a cupboard in another part of the house, yet still the police decided to treat the case, as four murders, and a suicide...

[Jan]

sorry I got lost - how could Sheila shoot herself and then put the rifle by the window?

[lookout]

 I've read umpteen links,etc,saying that the rifle was found by her side,the same as the Bible was. In Claire Powells' book it describes Sheila as having outstretched arms/hands,accentuating her " well-manicured nails ."
Somebody's got to be wrong.

[Steve_uk]

sorry I got lost - how could Sheila shoot herself and then put the rifle by the window?

I think the allegation is that Police removed the rifle from atop Sheila's body,rested it against the window sill only to return it to its original place,as Mike would call it "stage-managing" the scene.

[Jan]

I think the allegation is that Police removed the rifle from atop Sheila's body,rested it against the window sill only to return it to its original place,as Mike would call it "stage-managing" the scene.

I think however it is relevant because some officers did say the body in the photos was in a different position

therefore when the jury considered the photos as part of the evidence as a staged suicide they may have been misled
Also when they were told the body was moved between shots - that may not have been true.

Two things that may have been vital in them coming to their "guilty " verdict.

[mike tesko]

I've read umpteen links,etc,saying that the rifle was found by her side,the same as the Bible was. In Claire Powells' book it describes Sheila as having outstretched arms/hands,accentuating her " well-manicured nails ."
Somebody's got to be wrong.

Hi Lookout,

Yes, why so many discrepancies?

[mike tesko]

I think the allegation is that Police removed the rifle from atop Sheila's body,rested it against the window sill only to return it to its original place,as Mike would call it "stage-managing" the scene.

Hi Steve_uk,

yes, but to be specific, rifle at window until around 9am, as viewed by WPC Julia Jeapes, between 7.15 and 9am, was taken from the window whilst informatives were being performed after 9am, and was discharged beneath Sheila's chin, by PS Woodcock, whereby, bullet pv/19 entered her brain, and killed her immediately. Rifle was removed by Montgomery, replaced back atop Sheila's body, by  DCI 'Taff' Jones, removed a second time by DI 'Ron' Cook, replaced by some unknown officer ( possibly by PI 'Bob' Miller), and then removed by PS Woodcoch at precisely 11.15am..