Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...

[lookout]

As I've already said,Mike,that the relatives weren't told initially that Sheila had two wounds. I wonder why ? It must have been when Stan Jones came along that he then mentioned that there were two injuries. Then the ferreting began.

[Jane]

As I've already said,Mike,that the relatives weren't told initially that Sheila had two wounds. I wonder why ? It must have been when Stan Jones came along that he then mentioned that there were two injuries. Then the ferreting began.

Were the relatives initially told how many wounds the others received? Might it simply have been their way of drip feeding the full horror of it rather than giving them the whole story in one hit, ie, all the victims were dead having been shot. Revealing the number of shots wouldn't have altered that fact. I wonder if any of the family even thought to ASK how many shots each had received.

[lookout]

Were the relatives initially told how many wounds the others received? Might it simply have been their way of drip feeding the full horror of it rather than giving them the whole story in one hit, ie, all the victims were dead having been shot. Revealing the number of shots wouldn't have altered that fact. I wonder if any of the family even thought to ASK how many shots each had received.

No,the amount of wounds/shots to others wasn't mentioned. The reason for mentioning the one shot to Sheila was EP's way of explaining that it was a murder/suicide. Why the two shots were " deliberately " covered up ( if there were two at that time ) I don't know,but this part of the case is indeed debateable.

[mike tesko]

Were the relatives initially told how many wounds the others received? Might it simply have been their way of drip feeding the full horror of it rather than giving them the whole story in one hit, ie, all the victims were dead having been shot. Revealing the number of shots wouldn't have altered that fact. I wonder if any of the family even thought to ASK how many shots each had received.

I believe that the relatives assumed that all the other four victims had only been shot once,  but in Sheila's case, police who were at Jeremys when Ann Eaton and the other relatives attended, were told by police that Sheila was on the bed, with a solitary shot, confirmed to the relatives by Julie Mugford who identified Sheiila at the mortuary, and upon her return to Jeremys cottage, gesturing where the only visible wound on her throat was, by pointing under her own chin...

Craig and Miller both stated Sheila's bidy was 'ON' the far side of the bed, with a solitary wound in her neck at 8.44am. Jones and Clarke, told Ann Eaton and the other relatives, that Sheila's body was on the bed when they saw it earkier that morning, and that she had shot herself once. JULIE Mugford returned from seeing Sheila at the morgue, and told everyone at Jeremys cottage, that Sheila only had a solitary wound on her neck. MILLER told the inquest that Sheila had killed herself by way of a solutary shot to the throat...

[lookout]

 More proof that police are in it together.

The rape of a 5 year old by a 12 year old boy was met with a lesson to the boy of " do it to someone your own age next time "! when it was first in the media a few months back. The officer in question has taken early retirement------full pension and all that.An Essex DC.! 

[Caroline]

I believe that the relatives assumed that all the other four victims had only been shot once,  but in Sheila's case, police who were at Jeremys when Ann Eaton and the other relatives attended, were told by police that Sheila was on the bed, with a solitary shot, confirmed to the relatives by Julie Mugford who identified Sheiila at the mortuary, and upon her return to Jeremys cottage, gesturing where the only visible wound on her throat was, by pointing under her own chin...

Craig and Miller both stated Sheila's bidy was 'ON' the far side of the bed, with a solitary wound in her neck at 8.44am. Jones and Clarke, told Ann Eaton and the other relatives, that Sheila's body was on the bed when they saw it earkier that morning, and that she had shot herself once. JULIE Mugford returned from seeing Sheila at the morgue, and told everyone at Jeremys cottage, that Sheila only had a solitary wound on her neck. MILLER told the inquest that Sheila had killed herself by way of a solutary shot to the throat...

Hi Mike,  she was 'ON' the far side of the bed, they just didn't mention that they meant the floor and did they use the word 'solitary' or just that she had been shot in the throat and AE assumed it was once (given that it was supposed to be a suicide)? Julie also indicated one shot for Sheila after viewing the bodies, by that time according to your theory, she would have had two.

[lookout]

I've posted on the wrong thread,however I can just reiterate by saying that 45 officers poured into the farmhouse,17 more than what Jeremy had been originally told.
3 lots of informatives who were nothing to do with the crime scene except to study the aftermath of a shooting.
Imagine the contamination after that lot !!

[Mr. Gee]

I've posted on the wrong thread,however I can just reiterate by saying that 45 officers poured into the farmhouse,17 more than what Jeremy had been originally told.
3 lots of informatives who were nothing to do with the crime scene except to study the aftermath of a shooting.
Imagine the contamination after that lot !!

Rather than the "clinical" explanations that we have been given daily on here, I rather believe it was chaos on that day and nobody treated it like a crime scene? That is why I an so doubtful about GRS and Sheila's hands being bagged up etc. I have tendency to believe that all that was an after thought and that that is what is currently being covered up by the police, both in their witness statements (which are so uncannily the same) and under PII?

[lookout]

Rather than the rather "clinical" explanations that we have been given daily on here, I rather believe it was chaos on that day and nobody treated it like a crime scene? That is why I an so doubtful about GRS and Sheila's hands being bagged up etc. I have tendency to believe that all that was an after thought and that that is what is currently being covered up by the police, both in their witness statements (which are so uncannily the same) and under PII?

An utter shambles.Where's the reverence when 5 people lay dead ? It was disgusting.No wonder Jeremy cried when he was told about that. He admitted that he didn't like crying,but during operations such as went on,it's not surprising,especially as they all " used " those poor people as props. I'd have been beside myself. How cruel.

[Mr. Gee]

An utter shambles.Where's the reverence when 5 people lay dead ? It was disgusting.No wonder Jeremy cried when he was told about that. He admitted that he didn't like crying,but during operations such as went on,it's not surprising,especially as they all " used " those poor people as props. I'd have been beside myself. How cruel.

I personally that most of this police cover-up is chiefly about them trying to same face?

[lookout]

I personally that most of this police cover-up is chiefly about them trying to same face?

Of course they are. There's no other reason.

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike,  she was 'ON' the far side of the bed, they just didn't mention that they meant the floor and did they use the word 'solitary' or just that she had been shot in the throat and AE assumed it was once (given that it was supposed to be a suicide)? Julie also indicated one shot for Sheila after viewing the bodies, by that time according to your theory, she would have had two.

"On" the far side of the bed, means "on the bed", not off it...

Yes, by the time Julie Mugford went to the mortuary to identify the bodies of the five victims, Sheila had most definately been shot twice, but only one bullet wound on her throat was visible to her, now how could that be, who went to all this trouble to disguise the other shot, and why?

Within a week of this deception being performed at the mortuary, 'Bob' Miller was informing the Deputy Coroner at the opening of the inquest held on 14th August 1985, that police were satisfied that Sheila had killed the other four victims, and then had gone on to kill herself, by way of a solitary shot...

Nobody should be in any doubt that the police set out to deceive many by the claim that Sheila had killed herself with a solitary shot from the family rifle...

Even Jeremy was fooled into thinking, that his sister had taken her own life with a single shot...

[Alias]

"On" the far side of the bed, means "on the bed", not off it...

Yes, by the time Julie Mugford went to the mortuary to identify the bodies of the five victims, Sheila had most definately been shot twice, but only one bullet wound on her throat was visible to her, now how could that be, who went to all this trouble to disguise the other shot, and why?

Within a week of this deception being performed at the mortuary, 'Bob' Miller was informing the Deputy Coroner at the opening of the inquest held on 14th August 1985, that police were satisfied that Sheila had killed the other four victims, and then had gone on to kill herself, by way of a solitary shot...

Nobody should be in any doubt that the police set out to deceive many by the claim that Sheila had killed herself with a solitary shot from the family rifle...

Even Jeremy was fooled into thinking, that his sister had taken her own life with a single shot...

The problem is, it can be interpreted both ways.

[mike tesko]

Imagine the situation if Jeremy had killed his sister with two bullets, but police were going out of their way to suggest that she had only been shot once?

[Caroline]

The problem is, it can be interpreted both ways.

I agree!!