Informatives - carried out by a gang of interferring Senior Officers...

[Jane]

I am not on any side of the fence, I am on top of it, and my butt hurts! 

I hope you're using cushions to prevent splinters :D

[Jan]

Wouldn't it be strange if the real answer turns out to be something even weirder that the two main scenarios we keep coming back to. I do hope we get an answer in 2015!

[Steve_uk]

This thread goes to the heart of Mike's case,and of course there are only a handful of people who can prove or disprove it,namely those Police Officers who were present at the scene all those years ago. Mike's theory explains away the silhouetted figure,whom we take to be Sheila if we follow his scenario,it explains why Dr. Craig only found one bullet wound to her at 8:25am and it solves the mystery of the rifle spotted by WPC Jeapes earlier and yet not present when the Raid Team stormed the house.

Of course his theory does raise many more questions,even though it has answered some..

[Alias]

Wouldn't it be strange if the real answer turns out to be something even weirder that the two main scenarios we keep coming back to. I do hope we get an answer in 2015!

Something is missing from either scenario - unfortunately I don´t know what it is!

[Jane]

This thread goes to the heart of Mike's case,and of course there are only a handful of people who can prove or disprove it,namely those Police Officers who were present at the scene all those years ago. Mike's theory explains away the silhouetted figure,whom we take to be Sheila if we follow his scenario,it explains why Dr. Craig only found one bullet wound to her at 8:25am and it solves the mystery of the rifle spotted by WPC Jeapes earlier and yet not present when the Raid Team stormed the house.

Of course his theory does raise many more questions,even though it has answered some..

But there simply wasn't the need for duplicity, was there? Sheila was shot in the line of duty, end of. The problem comes when a lie, however small, is told,because another is required to cover it.

[Mr. Gee]

But there simply wasn't the need for duplicity, was there? Sheila was shot in the line of duty, end of. The problem comes when a lie, however small, is told,because another is required to cover it.

Not if it was an accident?

[Caroline]

Not if it was an accident?

So covering up Jeremy's innocence was an easier option than admitting 'an accident' involving the death of the main suspect who had already attempted suicide? Also before messing with the rifle, are we to believe that no one checked to see if there were any vital signs or that the rifle was loaded?

If there were such an accident, and for whatever reason, EP decided to hush it up, how would that involve framing Jeremy? They would have known Sheila was guilty and just gone ahead with her as the culprit ..... How does Jeremy then enter the frame?

[mike tesko]

Firstly, Sheila was not spotlessly clean, as the police and the prosecuting authorities would have us all believe - she had blood running out from both corners of her mouth, she had blood running out of her nostrils, she had blood on her right arm, blood upon her right wrist and the top part of her right hand. She had spots of blood on the soles of her feet.  She had a large triangular bloodstain on the upper right hand side of her nightdress, she had aspirated blood splashes on the front part of her nightdress adjacent to the aforementioned bloodstain. She had what appears to be bloodied fingermarks on the front lower right hand side of her nightdress similar to the bloodied finger marks found on the edge of the kitchen worktop downstairs, and the open pages of the bible in the bedroom. She had a bruised neck, and in the reverse of her nightdress was another huge bloodstain not replicated on the carpet / rug beneath where she ended up being photographed. She also had bloodied fingermarks on her throat, as if someome had either tried to stem the flow of blood which sprang from the top fatal wound, or to which she used the finger or the top part of her own right hand in reaction to being shot there a second time - now if those bloodied finger marks on her throat were caused by her own bloodied fingers, then how did her right hand find its way back on top of the rifle, in particular, to be shown resting upon the ammunition magazine, and trigger guard area?

So, the truth is not that Sheila was spotlessly clean, at all...

Secondly, according to the police evidence, none of Ralph Bambers blood and none of Sheila's blood was found anywhere inside the main bedroom (except for on Sheila's body), which is quite remarkable, considering that Ralph is supposed to have been shot there in the bedroom on no less than four occasions, and Sheila shot once there (or twice, so far as the official version goes). How strange then that none of the bloodstain on the reverse of Sheila's nightdress duplicated itself upon the rug / carpet beneath where her body ended up being photographed - since according to the police case only spits of June Bambersblood were found on the rug beneath her body? This is even more odd because if the blood on the reverse of Sheila's nightie was her own blood, why didn't some of it get transferred on the rug beneath her body, because in the staged photographs, Sheila is shown to be laying flat on the bedroom caroet upon her back? So, none of Sheila's blood anywhere at all on that bedroom carpet, despite the suggestion that she had been shot there, not once, but twice. Then there is the mystery of why there is not one drop of Ralph Bambers blood at all, presentm found, or detected on the side of the bed where we are told Ralph Bamber had been sleeping, or on the carpet at his side of the bed, which surely would have left a trail of blood thriughout the bedroom along the landing, all the way downstairs into the kitchen of his death scene? But, none of his blood anywhere in the house, except for inside the kitchen...

[mike tesko]

How did Sheila end up on the bedroom floor parrallel to the left hand edge of her parents bed,  with only drops of her mothers blood upon the rug beneath her body, and elsewhere on the bedroom carpet? If anything, it tends to suggest that June had already been shot, and had gotten out of bed on the right hand side, and moved back and forth in the bedroom, visiting the area of the carpet upon which Sheila eventually was laid out and staged by police?

Now, if June was shot prior to (the police scenario which was that) Sheila had been shot twice in the bedroom, in the location where her body was eventually photographed, then June must surely have already been dead by the time of Sheila' shooting in the same bedroom...

[mike tesko]

Much, if not all the blood on the bedroom carpet must have dried, prior to Sheila re-entering the bedroom (returning there much later after shooting her mother many hours beforehand)...

[mike tesko]

But there simply wasn't the need for duplicity, was there? Sheila was shot in the line of duty, end of. The problem comes when a lie, however small, is told,because another is required to cover it.

Yes, there was, and yes, the senior officers restaged the scene during the performance of familiars after 9 O'clock.  The stage managing that took place was never intended to frame Jeremy for the murders, the police did what they did to save their own backsides. Once they went down that path, it was too late later on for them to hold their hands up and tell the truth about what had really taken place after police first entered the farmhouse, and later when senior officers took control of the scene and performed familiars, before handing the scene over to SOCO at 10 O'clock...

[mike tesko]

I believe that had not Sheila been shot upstairs in the bedroom by police whilst familiars were being performed after 9 O'clock, that police would have told the truth about what took place when the firearms officers first entered (7.30am) the farmhouse, and Sheila shot during a struggle, as PS Woodcock squeezed through a narrow gap of the kitchen door. There would have been no need for a cover up, but for the fact that later on whilst senior officers performed familiars around the body of Sheila in the bedroom, a loaded rifle which had been resting at the bedroom window from as long ago as around 7.15am (spotted by WPC Julia Jeapes, prior to entry into the farmhouse by firearms officers) became discharged whilst it was being used on her body as part of a measuring exercise...

[mike tesko]

I believe that had not Sheila been shot upstairs in the bedroom by police whilst familiars were being performed after 9 O'clock, that police would have told the truth about what took place when the firearms officers first entered (7.30am) the farmhouse, and Sheila shot during a struggle, as PS Woodcock squeezed through a narrow gap of the kitchen door. There would have been no need for a cover up, but for the fact that later on whilst senior officers performed familiars around the body of Sheila in the bedroom, a loaded rifle which had been resting at the bedroom window from as long ago as around 7.15am (spotted by WPC Julia Jeapes, prior to entry into the farmhouse by firearms officers) became discharged whilst it was being used on her body as part of a measuring exercise...

Senior officers should not have been performing familiars before the crime scene had been handed over and examined by SOCO. It is no use anyone making up excuses for the police by trying to argue that it wasn't a murder scene, because lets not overlook the fact that the other four deaths were not suicides, each of the other four victims were murdered by someone. With this in mind, the farmhouse should have been treated as a murder scene, and senior officers should not have been traipsing throughout the farmhouse, interferring with the bodies of victims, and moving guns around a body (Sheila's) before SOCO completed its examination of the crime scene...

[lookout]

I've mentioned a large rolled-up rug/carpet ( which is near a locker in the main bedroom ) This rug/carpet wouldn't have been there all the time lying there rolled up,so if it had covered a large area of the bedroom floor and was very bloody,it would therefore have been moved prior to photographing the deceased. In other words both June and Sheila WOULD have been moved in order to do this ? Yet EP swore that the bodies hadn't been moved ?

[mike tesko]

The facts are, that Sheila had remained barely alive, upstairs on the far side of the bed, on the bed, with only a solitary bullet wound in her throat, from a bullet shot into her at around 7.37am. She did not have two bullet wounds in her neck when the police surgeon, Dr Craig, pronounced her as being dead inside the bedroom, her body being at that stage on the far side of the bed, she only had a solitary bullet wound at that stage. The second fatal chin shot occurred after the arrival of senior officers at just before, or just after 9 O'clock. We know that PI 'Bob' Miller, accompanied the police surgeon at 8.44am when Craig visited the bedroom and pronounced Sheila dead. Miller, also states that Sheila's body at this time was on the far side of the bed, and that upon her neck was what appeared to be a solitary gunshot wound. Later on, DS 'Stan' Jones, and DC 'Mick' Clarke, visited the bedroom and viewed Sheila's body which at that stage was laid out on top of the bed. After travelling with Jeremy to his cottage at Head Street, Goldhanger, they were eventually joined by Ann Eaton, and other relatives. At this time, one or other of these two police officers (or both), confided in Ann Eaton, that  Sheila's body had been laid on top of the bed when they had seen it prior to leaving the scene with Jeremy. Several newspaper stories which covered the tragedy, referred Sheila's body having been discovered on the bed, either alongside her mothers body, or upon the bed all by herself. Some reports stated that a rifle was found laying between mother and daughter on the bed, or that there was a rifle on top of Sheila's body. Alternatively, in other newspaper accounts, a bible lay between the two bodies, or in yet other accounts, Sheila had been found on the bed, with a bible on her chest. The police told Ann Eaton and the other relatives that Sheila had only been shot once. Later that morning, Julie Mugford arrived at Jeremy's cottage, and she later went along with the police to Chelmsford hospital morgue to identify the bodies of the five victims, including Sheila. Upon her return to Jeremys cottage, she described how Sheila only appeared to have a single bullet wound in her throat. She demonstrated to the others by placing her pointed finger beneath the chin, and confirmed where she had observed the solitary bullet hole...

At the opening of the inquest, on 14th August 1985, PI Bob Miller, told the Deputy Coroner, that police were satified that Sheila had shot and killed the other four victims, and that she had then gone on to kill herself by way of a solitary shit beneath the chin...

For some inexplicable reason, police appeared to be going iut of their way to promote the idea that Sheila had only been shot once...