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« Reply #120 on: December 03, 2014, 01:17:PM »
Hello Mr Gee I know you never questioned it I was just replying to Caroline :)

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« Reply #121 on: December 03, 2014, 01:48:PM »
I am sure you and your mate the fragrant Mr H could find him it's not difficult

If he would talk to you after reading yours and Mr H's posts is another matter

I knew there wouldn't be a sensible reply from you. I'm NOT interested in talking to your ambulance driver. If he has ANY information, he should be talking to the police. But I VERY MUCH DOUBT that he has! Just believing in innocence isn't enough - that's ALL you've got and it's got you nowhere!
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« Reply #122 on: December 03, 2014, 02:19:PM »
Hello Mr Gee I know you never questioned it I was just replying to Caroline :)
Sorry susan. I misread your post.

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« Reply #123 on: December 03, 2014, 02:24:PM »
Mr Gee Thank you :) :) :)

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« Reply #124 on: December 03, 2014, 05:43:PM »
By looking at certain answers she has given lately.

No not at all - I think it is interesting to see what time they were called and why?

I have never been able to find any of the logs to the ambulance service - but remembered asking before whether they could have seen or heard anything.


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« Reply #125 on: December 03, 2014, 05:58:PM »
just found this - point 4 page 7 wireless log

from the defence. The 8.41am entry states ‘OG10 and two officers with Dictaphones and 5 tapes to go asap to scene’. It is assumed that they arrived as ordered and that they made detailed audio recordings as ordered of the scene. These tapes would contain further information that was never contained in Witness Statements which were often made weeks later. Had this information been known about at trial then these tapes along with all the other audio tape recordings of the telephone and radio messages would have been called for to assist in proving the innocence of Jeremy Bamber.

The next issue relates to the calling of two ambulance crews to White House Farm on the morning of 7th August 1985. Entries on page 4 of the Wireless Message Log states:

‘ CA07 (control car at scene) 6.20am 2 ambulances required, one for immediate one for standby’

‘IR (incident room) 6.22am 2 ambulances arranged’

‘IR at r.v. point going to scene with 2 ambulances escorted by CA06 (police vehicle) 6.40am’

‘ CA06 8.1 (officer code) at Pages Lane (road which leads to WHF) 7.04am Necessary escort dealt with’

In 1985 it was not normal practice to call ambulances to an incident where the Tactical Firearms Unit were deployed. This is clear because the police TFU were deployed to White House Farm at 4.04am and it was another two and a quarter hours before the ambulances were requested. The decision was obviously made by the police

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« Reply #126 on: December 03, 2014, 06:12:PM »
just found this - point 4 page 7 wireless log

from the defence. The 8.41am entry states ‘OG10 and two officers with Dictaphones and 5 tapes to go asap to scene’. It is assumed that they arrived as ordered and that they made detailed audio recordings as ordered of the scene. These tapes would contain further information that was never contained in Witness Statements which were often made weeks later. Had this information been known about at trial then these tapes along with all the other audio tape recordings of the telephone and radio messages would have been called for to assist in proving the innocence of Jeremy Bamber.

The next issue relates to the calling of two ambulance crews to White House Farm on the morning of 7th August 1985. Entries on page 4 of the Wireless Message Log states:

‘ CA07 (control car at scene) 6.20am 2 ambulances required, one for immediate one for standby’

‘IR (incident room) 6.22am 2 ambulances arranged’

‘IR at r.v. point going to scene with 2 ambulances escorted by CA06 (police vehicle) 6.40am’

‘ CA06 8.1 (officer code) at Pages Lane (road which leads to WHF) 7.04am Necessary escort dealt with’

In 1985 it was not normal practice to call ambulances to an incident where the Tactical Firearms Unit were deployed. This is clear because the police TFU were deployed to White House Farm at 4.04am and it was another two and a quarter hours before the ambulances were requested. The decision was obviously made by the police
Yes I thought it was logged somewhere.

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« Reply #127 on: December 03, 2014, 06:38:PM »
just found this - point 4 page 7 wireless log

from the defence. The 8.41am entry states ‘OG10 and two officers with Dictaphones and 5 tapes to go asap to scene’. It is assumed that they arrived as ordered and that they made detailed audio recordings as ordered of the scene. These tapes would contain further information that was never contained in Witness Statements which were often made weeks later. Had this information been known about at trial then these tapes along with all the other audio tape recordings of the telephone and radio messages would have been called for to assist in proving the innocence of Jeremy Bamber.

The next issue relates to the calling of two ambulance crews to White House Farm on the morning of 7th August 1985. Entries on page 4 of the Wireless Message Log states:

‘ CA07 (control car at scene) 6.20am 2 ambulances required, one for immediate one for standby’

‘IR (incident room) 6.22am 2 ambulances arranged’

‘IR at r.v. point going to scene with 2 ambulances escorted by CA06 (police vehicle) 6.40am’

‘ CA06 8.1 (officer code) at Pages Lane (road which leads to WHF) 7.04am Necessary escort dealt with’

In 1985 it was not normal practice to call ambulances to an incident where the Tactical Firearms Unit were deployed. This is clear because the police TFU were deployed to White House Farm at 4.04am and it was another two and a quarter hours before the ambulances were requested. The decision was obviously made by the police






So this is the reason why the ambulances were sent. Had Neville mentioned that he was injured I ask myself ? Ambulances aren't usually sent to collect the deceased,except for private ambulances specifically for that purpose.

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« Reply #128 on: December 03, 2014, 07:37:PM »





So this is the reason why the ambulances were sent. Had Neville mentioned that he was injured I ask myself ? Ambulances aren't usually sent to collect the deceased,except for private ambulances specifically for that purpose.

The ambulance's were sent because the raid team were about to enter the house and there may have been casualties. They didn't know if people were dead or injured at that point or if someone would be injured as a result of the raid. Hence they asked for one to be ready immediately and one on stand-by - just in case.
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« Reply #129 on: December 03, 2014, 07:43:PM »
The ambulance's were sent because the raid team were about to enter the house and there may have been casualties. They didn't know if people were dead or injured at that point or if someone would be injured as a result of the raid. Hence they asked for one to be ready immediately and one on stand-by - just in case.





Well yes,that would be feasible given that guns had been mentioned.

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« Reply #130 on: December 03, 2014, 07:43:PM »
There were five people in the house; why only two ambulances?

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« Reply #131 on: December 03, 2014, 07:48:PM »
There were five people in the house; why only two ambulances?



I believe that initially 6 body bags were sent for. If they thought there may have been 6 casualties maybe each ambulance carried 3 patients.

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« Reply #132 on: December 03, 2014, 07:53:PM »


I believe that initially 6 body bags were sent for. If they thought there may have been 6 casualties maybe each ambulance carried 3 patients.

Our ambulances only carry one - I think.

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« Reply #133 on: December 03, 2014, 07:55:PM »
Our ambulances only carry one - I think.



Alias, maybe ours do, too. I was making two and two add up to five :D

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« Reply #134 on: December 03, 2014, 07:58:PM »
Our ambulances only carry one - I think.





Ours carry a stretchered patient and a walking wounded ( strapped in a chair )