Would the People Who Help Jeremy Really Continue to do so if the phone calls proved Guilt

[lookout]

Apparently according to the Stokenchurch list there was also a video tape? I wonder if that was presented in court?

You're being silly again,Mr G. 

[Mr. Gee]

You're being silly again,Mr G. 

There seems to be many things not presented at court and I have a sneaky suspicion that it was not all down to defense counsel. Maybe we are looking at a deliberate supression of evidence by others just here?

[lookout]

There seems to be many things not presented at court and I have a sneaky suspicion that it was not all down to defense counsel. Maybe we are looking at a deliberate supression of evidence by others just here?

Anything that was suppressed, and, or destroyed,wouldn't have met with EP's theories. It's as simple as that. The truth was HIDDEN.

[lookout]

 The whole point is that EP targeted Jeremy whatever it took. This is exactly how MOJ's are formed.
How did they know that the REAL killer wasn't roaming around free ? Unless we ever get to see the original docs,notebooks and logs,we don't know,do we ? Something led them all to believe it was a murder/suicide------------but what ?

[Roch]

No one has yet come up with any answer to explain why (if such recording PROVED) either Nevill called Jeremy, Nevill called police (or both) - why such recordings were not used to inform the relatives that Sheila was guilty and their suspicions re: Jeremy were unfounded. Instead (if you go with the conspiracy theory), they made themselves look like idiots by changing from Sheila to Jeremy even though they had proof it wasn't him. The victims and crucial evidence from the farmhouse had been cremated and the reporting of it was dying down. However, they chose to stoke the flames and knowingly frame an innocent man. Why?

Hi Caroline, in a two call scenario as alleged by Jeremy's campaign team, it does seem pertinent for Taff Jones to inform the relatives that two phone calls were received from separate locations, with one call at least purporting to be from Nevil.   Personally I wouldn't use 'conspiracy theory' to describe probable police corruption and an unhealthy close relationship between some police officers and relatives.  I think 'Bill Roberts' made a good point when asserted that once somebody at the level of ACC instructs that a case should go in a certain direction, subordinates fall in line with that direction. 

[Caroline]

Hi Caroline, in a two call scenario as alleged by Jeremy's campaign team, it does seem pertinent for Taff Jones to inform the relatives that two phone calls were received from separate locations, with one call at least purporting to be from Nevil.   Personally I wouldn't use 'conspiracy theory' to describe probable police corruption and an unhealthy close relationship between some police officers and relatives.  I think 'Bill Roberts' made a good point when asserted that once somebody at the level of ACC instructs that a case should go in a certain direction, subordinates fall in line with that direction.

So would you agree that (at least) the two call suggestion is a non starter?

[Roch]

So would you agree that (at least) the two call suggestion is a non starter?

I think it's possible that Nevill telephoned Jeremy.  If Nevill phoned police, it is difficult to understand why the baying relatives were not told so.  And why Jeremy was not told so at the scene. 

Nevill not phoning police (if he definitely did not) does not equate to a guilty Jeremy.  But it potentially damages the credibility of his offical campaign, if that campaign asserts that Nevill definitely phoned police. 

[nugnug]

i cant really understand why he would phone jeremy if he allready had phoned the police.

[Mr. Gee]

i cant really understand why he would phone jeremy if he allready had phoned the police.

Although I don't hold with the suggestion that Nevill phoned the police. But it does seem like something I myself would do? In fact I'd probably phone everyone I knew if I believed the family was in danger.
Having said that, if it involved my own daughter and guns I would probably not phone the police through fear of her getting shot, knowing what the so called police marksmen are like. I would probably have phoned my son who would know what had happened before with her. To me it makes perfect sense for Ralph to have phoned Jeremy , but not the police. In my opinion he would not wish his daughter to be harmed in any way?

[Caroline]

I think it's possible that Nevill telephoned Jeremy.  If Nevill phoned police, it is difficult to understand why the baying relatives were not told so.  And why Jeremy was not told so at the scene. 

Nevill not phoning police (if he definitely did not) does not equate to a guilty Jeremy.  But it potentially damages the credibility of his offical campaign, if that campaign asserts that Nevill definitely phoned police.

Hi Roch,

I was only referring to Nevill's call to police. I agree, it is 'possible' Nevill called Jeremy (although I don't believe he did). I Nevill call (if included in any submissions) would be a non-starter 'unless' that have REAL proof and I can't see that being the case.

[Reader]

By the way, it's "to you", not "too you".

[Caroline]

By the way, it's "to you", not "too you".

To wit - too who! 

[lebaleb]

The idea that Jeremy used Neville's phonecall as an alibi means he didn't understand what an alibi is. If it cannot be checked out or corroborated, then it is worthless.

[Caroline]

The idea that Jeremy used Neville's phonecall as an alibi means he didn't understand what an alibi is. If it cannot be checked out or corroborated, then it is worthless.

He thought that, saying he spoke to Nevill meant that Neville was alive at 03:10, putting himself at another location and that he was with police when the family were killed. He only had to believe it was an alibi. The fact that it didn't check out is one of the reasons why he was convicted.

[lebaleb]

He thought that, saying he spoke to Nevill meant that Neville was alive at 03:10, putting himself at another location and that he was with police when the family were killed. He only had to believe it was an alibi. The fact that it didn't check out is one of the reasons why he was convicted.

He also had to believe that they wouldn't be able to establish time of death, which is a more doubtful.