Did Jeremy wear a wet suit for the massacre ?

[nugnug]

well i fingerprint on it means she must of touched  it what would it be doing there i wonder.

[scipio_usmc]

A fingerprint of Sheila was found on a double barrel 12 bore (to you 12 guage) shotgun.

What evidence is there to establish this?  Are there documents that establish where on the shotgun, when and for sure they are hers?  The only document I saw offered by Mike represented a shotgun was positive for fingerprints but nothing beyond that.

[Mr. Gee]

What evidence is there to establish this?  Are there documents that establish where on the shotgun, when and for sure they are hers?  The only document I saw offered by Mike represented a shotgun was positive for fingerprints but nothing beyond that.

Why worry whether there was or wasn't one of Sheila's fingerprints was on a shotgun? I would like to see someone pick up a shotgun and fire it with one finger.

[scipio_usmc]

Why worry whether there was or wasn't one of Sheila's fingerprints was on a shotgun? I would like to see someone pick up a shotgun and fire it with one finger.

For the sake of accuracy.  So many things have been alleged as facts that turned out to be untrue.  It is necessary to start from scratch nd determine what the facts are in order to then assess the case on the basis of such facts.

While it is true she can't have held the shotgun in one hand and rifle in the other Rambo style and that no shotgun wounds were present so the shotgun can't have been used by her or Jeremy in commission of the murders that doesn't mean there can't be some tangential value.

If her print wa son the gun it would have to be because at some point she moved the weapon or Jeremy planted her print on it but why would he do that?  If she moved it that would suggest that at some point the gun had been in her way and needed to be moved which could be used to counter claism the gun was always stowed.

[Mr. Gee]

For the sake of accuracy.  So many things have been alleged as facts that turned out to be untrue.  It is necessary to start from scratch nd determine what the facts are in order to then assess the case on the basis of such facts.

While it is true she can't have held the shotgun in one hand and rifle in the other Rambo style and that no shotgun wounds were present so the shotgun can't have been used by her or Jeremy in commission of the murders that doesn't mean there can't be some tangential value.

If her print was on the gun it would have to be because at some point she moved the weapon or Jeremy planted her print on it but why would he do that?  If she moved it that would suggest that at some point the gun had been in her way and needed to be moved which could be used to counter claism the gun was always stowed.

What, you mean Uri Geller style? It does appear that the family was out and out careless with guns though. My stepfather had all manner of guns including a small canon which he fired every year and an old flintlock. The police came round regularly to examine his gun safe which was in the lintel over the door with the door to it in another room which was kept locked. The Bamber family appread to treat their guns in a very unsafe way. There appeared to be a shotgun propped up against a wall in one picture and the gun safe wasn't a safe at all. It was a cupboard under the stairs. It's a wonder Ralph Bamber didn't get repremanded by the police?

[scipio_usmc]

What, you mean Uri Geller style? It does appear that the family was out and out careless with guns though. My stepfather had all manner of guns including a small canon which he fired every year and an old flintlock. The police came round regularly to examine his gun safe which was in the lintel over the door with the door to it in another room which was kept locked. The Bamber family appread to treat their guns in a very unsafe way. There appeared to be a shotgun propped up against a wall in one picture and the gun safe wasn't a safe at all. It was a cupboard under the stairs. It's a wonder Ralph Bamber didn't get repremanded by the police?

All we know is what the witnesses said was his usual policy with weapons.  The fact the closet was not locked doesn't mean he was not careful to put them in the closet after use.  It only takes one time of a wepaon being left out though for someone to get their print on it moving it so in that sense her print would not necessarily prove anything one way or the other towards such it is just one piece of the puzzle.

Was the shotgun in the photo (which was unloaded and open) the one a print was supposedly found on?  That is another relvant question.

Since people keep bringing the issue up it is necessary to establish whether it is a fact and if so which precise weapon and where to then be able to make any assertions based thereupon.

 

[Mr. Gee]

All we know is what the witnesses said was his usual policy with weapons.  The fact the closet was not locked doesn't mean he was not careful to put them in the closet after use.  It only takes one time of a wepaon being left out though for someone to get their print on it moving it so in that sense her print would not necessarily prove anything one way or the other towards such it is just one piece of the puzzle.

Was the shotgun in the photo (which was unloaded and open) the one a print was supposedly found on?  That is another relvant question.

Since people keep bringing the issue up it is necessary to establish whether it is a fact and if so which precise weapon and where to then be able to make any assertions based thereupon.

Personally I don't think it worth arguing over. If she did try and use a 12 bore shotgun she's probably end up being thrown to the floor.

[scipio_usmc]

Personally I don't think it worth arguing over. If she did try and use a 12 bore shotgun she's probably end up being thrown to the floor.

Obviously none was used in commission of the murders (no victims hit with buckshot and not damage to the house was found to have been made by buckshot) and that is the real reson the alleged print holds little significance.   

But just for the sake of accuracy women her size can fire them without being knocked over given the correct stance.  Without padding the shoulder can take a beating though and even the hips or gut cna be bruised.  Someone who doesn't know to expect the kind of recoil that occurs and doesn't have a good stance to deal with it is the most likely to fall. You seme to be suggesting it is true she would not know much about it's operation and had not fired them before in suggesting she would get knocked down.

 

[Mr. Gee]

Obviously none was used in commission of the murders (no victims hit with buckshot and not damage to the house was found to have been made by buckshot) and that is the real reson the alleged print holds little significance.   

But just for the sake of accuracy women her size can fire them without being knocked over given the correct stance.  Without padding the shoulder can take a beating though and even the hips or gut cna be bruised.  Someone who doesn't know to expect the kind of recoil that occurs and doesn't have a good stance to deal with it is the most likely to fall. You seme to be suggesting it is true she would not know much about it's operation and had not fired them before in suggesting she would get knocked down.

Yes I don't think she knew much about 12 bores?

[scipio_usmc]

Yes I don't think she knew much about 12 bores?

Obviously those who think Jeremy is guilty believe the evidence that she didn't ever use any gns so would agree with you she didn't know much about 12 bores or any other guns.

What you shoot also plays a role though.  I fired a round that contained chain and it had quite a kick.  I laughed and thought it was the stupidist thing I ever heard but the damage it did was pretty nasty.  I wasn't laughing after I saw what it did to the target, more or less in awe.

[Mr. Gee]

Obviously those who think Jeremy is guilty believe the evidence that she didn't ever use any gns so would agree with you she didn't know much about 12 bores or any other guns.

What you shoot also plays a role though.  I fired a round that contained chain and it had quite a kick.  I laughed and thought it was the stupidist thing I ever heard but the damage it did was pretty nasty.  I wasn't laughing after I saw what it did to the target, more or less in awe.

Just one of the reasons I won't allow any kind of gun in my house. I am fascinated with them don't get me wrong. I just don't want them anywhere near my family. Too many accidents. My friend even contemplated killing himself with one, that was a .22. But he decided to become a woman instead.

[Alias]

Just one of the reasons I won't allow any kind of gun in my house. I am fascinated with them don't get me wrong. I just don't want them anywhere near my family. Too many accidents. My friend even contemplated killing himself with one, that was a .22. But he decided to become a woman instead.

Oh, gosh!

[Mr. Gee]

Oh, gosh!

Yep. Had all his bits chopped off.

[Alias]

Yep. Had all his bits chopped off.

I have met one who did that. He/she looked so profoundly sad, so I had to wonder if it was a wrong move. There is no turning back, is there?
How is your friend doing in his/her new gender of choice?

[Mr. Gee]

I have met one who did that. He/she looked so profoundly sad, so I had to wonder if it was a wrong move. There is no turning back, is there?
How is your friend doing in his/her new gender of choice?

Well put it this way. His wife weren't all that happy about it.