The proposed purchase of a Porsche by the appellant

[Jan]

I tell you something - to be honest - if he is guilty - I STILL don't believe he said half the things attributed to him. No-one would be that stupid.

It was done to get their man.

[Adam]

You have just killed your entire family. Stage the killing of your sister as a suicide, setting out to pin the murders on her - but you shoot her twice, oh well, never mind, the stupid coppers will buy that, you tell yourself. You then unscrew the silencer you used, hide it in the back of a cupboard, blood, paint and hair on it, but heck, the cops ARE stupid, you think to yourself.

Later when you meet with the cops outside the house, you tell them all about how you are going to buy a Porche and that you don´t like your sister, whom you just killed. You also think it is a great idea to accuse the police of shooting your family once they found the dead bodies.

It has a ring of truth to it, RIGHT?! 

Thought you were undecided ? You're posts haven't changed since you claimed this. All of them supporting Jeremy.

He had to shoot her twice. The first bullet didn't kill her..
 
There was no reason the police would find the silencer in their search, carried out in the first three days. Thread already created.

The police said he spoke about the porche. And highlighted Sheila's illness. Years later trying to justify his cruel words  by saying he did not understand her illness. 

[Patti]

Thought you were undecided ? You're posts haven't changed since you claimed this. All of them supporting Jeremy.

He had to shoot her twice. The first bullet didn't kill her..
 
There was no reason the police would find the silencer in their search, carried out in the first three days. Thread already created.

The police said he spoke about the porche. And highlighted Sheila's illness. Years later trying to justify his cruel words  by saying he did not understand her illness.

He could have staged a break in? I think its odd that she was shot twice and then framed for the murders. It would have been better to have staged a break in and not invented a call from NB at all. It just doesn;t make much sense to me. Its quite odd.   

[Alias]

Thought you were undecided ? You're posts haven't changed since you claimed this. All of them supporting Jeremy.

He had to shoot her twice. The first bullet didn't kill her..
 
There was no reason the police would find the silencer in their search, carried out in the first three days. Thread already created.

The police said he spoke about the porche. And highlighted Sheila's illness. Years later trying to justify his cruel words  by saying he did not understand her illness.

Adam, you don´t seem to get it. I have never changed my stance - always been undecided. I have told you many times, but it never sinks in, does it?
I don´t understand how anyone CAN be either 100% for either guilt or innocense - this case is a mess, the investigation, everything.

[Alias]

He could have staged a break in? I think its odd that she was shot twice and then framed for the murders. It would have been better to have staged a break in and not invented a call from NB at all. It just doesn;t make much sense to me. Its quite odd.   

It makes no sense at all. Jeremy is no genius, but to stick to your plan of staging a suicide when you had to use two bullets seems insanely stupid. Who would do such a thing?
It would have made much more sense to stage a break-in, yes, absolutely!

[maggie]

He could have staged a break in? I think its odd that she was shot twice and then framed for the murders. It would have been better to have staged a break in and not invented a call from NB at all. It just doesn;t make much sense to me. Its quite odd.   

Really don't understand that phone call if he's guilty Patti, it's so hard to comprehend.  Why put yourself in such a vulnerable position just after carrying out such a dreadful crime?  Why would you do such a thing?  He could have just laid low until the morning.......
Whichever way you look at it there are huge question marks, I agree Alias, cannot understand how anyone can be 100% either way.  There's always a but........

[susan]

Hello Maggie

think maybe he thought he was giving himself an alibi and that is why he phoned Julie to make it more concrete.  Just my take on it could be wrong of course.

[Adam]

He could have staged a break in? I think its odd that she was shot twice and then framed for the murders. It would have been better to have staged a break in and not invented a call from NB at all. It just doesn;t make much sense to me. Its quite odd.   

We have gone through this.

Who an earth would break in, massacre men, women & children & not take anything.

If Jeremy is innocent, how did Sheila commit the massacre.

[Adam]

Adam, you don´t seem to get it. I have never changed my stance - always been undecided. I have told you many times, but it never sinks in, does it?
I don´t understand how anyone CAN be either 100% for either guilt or innocense - this case is a mess, the investigation, everything.

It's not a mess. The police changed direction after one month. They had good reason to, the jury thought.

Jeremy keeps going on about it. Appealing (& failing) & making wild claims which get him in the media.

[Patti]

Really don't understand that phone call if he's guilty Patti, it's so hard to comprehend.  Why put yourself in such a vulnerable position just after carrying out such a dreadful crime?  Why would you do such a thing?  He could have just laid low until the morning.......
Whichever way you look at it there are huge question marks, I agree Alias, cannot understand how anyone can be 100% either way.  There's always a but........

Hi Maggie

And this is what causes doubt in my opinion. This case is so full of holes and man-made assumptions.

The only clinch was the silencer....but even that cannot be deemed to be safe.  When you take into perspective that Sheila could have used the silencer then  placed it back into the cupboard, which could be possible, it blows the case wide open. Same with the scratch marks underneath the mantel of the aga surround. Those scratches could be related to many things and not necessarily the rifle. Although there was paint found on the silencer it can't be determined or proved it got there on the night of the tragedies. 

[Adam]

Jeremy's best option was to phone the police and spend several hours insinuating Sheila. Expertly leading them into a direction the judge said.

Several threads already created.

[Patti]

We have gone through this.

Who an earth would break in, massacre men, women & children & not take anything.

If Jeremy is innocent, how did Sheila commit the massacre.

I don't know Adam. Thats my answer. I need to know how Jeremy did it? How he got in without the dog barking? How he controlled the situation with 3 adults? Why was Neville downstairs after being shot upstairs? Why was 25 shots fired? How Neville received marks on his arm with the muzzle end of the rifle, which suggests that at that point the silencer has already been removed? I have no answers to the questions I need to know Adam....

[maggie]

Hello Maggie

think maybe he thought he was giving himself an alibi and that is why he phoned Julie to make it more concrete.  Just my take on it could be wrong of course.

I can see the reasoning behind that Susie but it was a dreadful mistake if he is guilty, he put himself right in the middle of it all, especially as Sheila was shot twice and Ralph was battered.  It would have been so easy to break a window or something and stage a burglary.
 I know some murderers are proud of what they've done and would get pleasure out of being present when it was all discovered but it was one hell of a risk after already taking the risk of climbing into a dark house with available guns lying about for anyone to use, he wouldnt have known where anyone was and why didn't he shoot the dog?  I find that really, really strange.

[Alias]

We have gone through this.

Who an earth would break in, massacre men, women & children & not take anything.

If Jeremy is innocent, how did Sheila commit the massacre.

If Jeremy just shot Sheila (twice) and left it at that, left a door open, hadn´t invented the call from Nevill, thus not calling the police, the case would be open.
As it was, he preferred to stage a two-shot murder as suicide, paint himself into a corner with the invented phonecall, call the police and face the music, blurting out how he disliked his sister.

Something is terribly off in that scenario.

[Adam]

I don't know Adam. Thats my answer. I need to know how Jeremy did it? How he got in without the dog barking? How he controlled the situation with 3 adults? Why was Neville downstairs after being shot upstairs? Why was 25 shots fired? How Neville received marks on his arm with the muzzle end of the rifle, which suggests that at that point the silencer has already been removed? I have no answers to the questions I need to know Adam....

Three 'asleep' adults.

The dog may not have heard Jeremy. Or may not have made a noise if it did hear him. It was not a guard dog.

Neville fled downstairs after realising he 'might die in a shooting accident'.

There is nothing saying what the burn marks were. But Jeremy may have burned Neville to check for life after putting the silencer away.