The proposed purchase of a Porsche by the appellant

[maggie]

Jeremy's best option was to phone the police and spend several hours insinuating Sheila. Expertly leading them into a direction the judge said.

Several threads already created.

There were other options which wouldn't have pointed the finger only at him or Sheila, it closed the crime right down and it was far from his best option imo. It was crazy, remember Julie claimed Jeremy said he had thought up the perfect crime, well sorry if that was the best he could do, it was all pretty shoddy.

[Patti]

Three 'asleep' adults.

The dog may not have heard Jeremy. Or may not have made a noise if it did hear him. It was not a guard dog.

Neville fled downstairs after realising he 'might die in a shooting accident'.

There is nothing saying what the burn marks were. But Jeremy may have burned Neville to check for life after putting the silencer away.

According to Vanezes the marks on Nevilles arm were done by the muzzle of the rifle, they were not burn marks.

The burn marks were on Neville's back....where did they come from? 

Yes we only have one adult laying down and that was June. That still gives tw more adults in that bedroom...If Sheila was sleeping with her mother, then what was Neville doing in there? 

[Adam]

If Jeremy just shot Sheila (twice) and left it at that, left a door open, hadn´t invented the call from Nevill, thus not calling the police, the case would be open.
As it was, he preferred to stage a two-shot murder as suicide, paint himself into a corner with the invented phonecall, call the police and face the music, blurting out how he disliked his sister.

Something is terribly off in that scenario.

The case may not be open. He may have still been convicted. The motive and opportunity was there.

Once the evidence showed Sheila could not have committed the massacre & Julie spoke, he would have been the number one suspect.

[Alias]

The case may not be open. He may have still been convicted. The motive and opportunity was there.

Once the evidence showed Sheila could not have committed the massacre & Julie spoke, he would have been the number one suspect.

It would have been a more open case if he had staged a break-in - or simply just left a door open, you have to admit that.

I find it hard to believe he was that stupid.

[Adam]

There were other options which wouldn't have pointed the finger only at him or Sheila, it closed the crime right down and it was far from his best option imo. It was crazy, remember Julie claimed Jeremy said he had thought up the perfect crime, well sorry if that was the best he could do, it was all pretty shoddy.

No one said Jeremy was a criminal mastermind.

Jeremy had options. He choose the murder/suicide option.

[Adam]

It would have been a more open case if he had staged a break-in - or simply just left a door open, you have to admit that.

I find it hard to believe he was that stupid.

Staging a break in where nothing was taken, but men, women & children were massacred.  Then being first on the scene in the morning seems pretty stupid to me.

He wouldn't be able to insinuate Sheila & use her illness.

[maggie]

Three 'asleep' adults.

The dog may not have heard Jeremy. Or may not have made a noise if it did hear him. It was not a guard dog.

Neville fled downstairs after realising he 'might die in a shooting accident'.

There is nothing saying what the burn marks were. But Jeremy may have burned Neville to check for life after putting the silencer away.

Too much risk in all this Adam.  He wouldn't have known if the adults were awake or asleep, wouldn't know if crispy would bark, or attack him or what he would do, OK, Nevill may have 'fled downstairs' but that would have left the others unprotected because if he was injured he would know JB was in ernest, as for the burn marks find it hard to believe someone would go through all that performance to check if someone was alive.  There are much quicker and easier ways than finding an object and heating it up, no .... I don't buy that.

[Alias]

Staging a break in where nothing was taken, but men, women & children were massacred.  Then being first on the scene in the morning seems pretty stupid to me.

He wouldn't be able to insinuate Sheila & use her illness.

Leaving a door open would widen the possibilities, but Jeremy chose to paint himself into a corner.

Hard to believe.

We have all heard about cases that have never been solved - break ins with nothing taken, but people dead. It happens.

[maggie]

Staging a break in where nothing was taken, but men, women & children were massacred.  Then being first on the scene in the morning seems pretty stupid to me.

He wouldn't be able to insinuate Sheila & use her illness.

He could have done a lot better than he did and remember he was trying to not be arrested and locked away forever so he surely would have done his very best to to hide the slightest sign of involvement.  Jeremy Bamber may not be a genius but he's not stupid and I would have thought his main aims were to kill the rest of the family and not to leave any trail to his door.  He may as well have written the police a note because of the silencer and the phone call and Julie, it really doesn't make sense imo

[Adam]

Too much risk in all this Adam.  He wouldn't have known if the adults were awake or asleep, wouldn't know if crispy would bark, or attack him or what he would do, OK, Nevill may have 'fled downstairs' but that would have left the others unprotected because if he was injured he would know JB was in ernest, as for the burn marks find it hard to believe someone would go through all that performance to check if someone was alive.  There are much quicker and easier ways than finding an object and heating it up, no .... I don't buy that.

Jeremy thought it worth the risk.

People are usually asleep at 2am.

He knew Crispy. So knows more than anyone alive what the dog would do. If it woke.

June was shot along with Neville. So would have been dead. Neville fled as he was being shot at. Or he followed Jeremy as he went to re load.

No one knows what the burn marks were.

[maggie]

Leaving a door open would widen the possibilities, but Jeremy chose to paint himself into a corner.

Hard to believe.

We have all heard about cases that have never been solved - break ins with nothing taken, but people dead. It happens.

It's true Alias, he didn't need to solve the crime  just to make it highly unlikely for him to be implicated, an open door and no trail would have done, his car was parked outside his house all night, who could prove he was involved?

[Adam]

Leaving a door open would widen the possibilities, but Jeremy chose to paint himself into a corner.

Hard to believe.

We have all heard about cases that have never been solved - break ins with nothing taken, but people dead. It happens.

Five people massacred. Door left open. Jeremy first on the scene to start work.

Yes no one will suspect Jeremy.

[Alias]

Five people massacred. Door left open. Jeremy first on the scene to start work.

Yes no one will suspect Jeremy.

I doubt they would have been able to convict him. There was no physical evidence tying him to the murder scene.

[Adam]

It's true Alias, he didn't need to solve the crime  just to make it highly unlikely for him to be implicated, an open door and no trail would have done, his car was parked outside his house all night, who could prove he was involved?

June's bike mysteriously arrived at Jeremy's cottage a couple of days before the massacre. He could have walked.

An open door & no trail. No murder/suicide.

It must have been a mad man passing through Essex. Poor Jeremy being first on the scene when going to work.

[Alias]

June's bike mysteriously arrived at Jeremy's cottage a couple of days before the massacre. He could have walked.

An open door & no trail. No murder/suicide.

It must have been a mad man passing through Essex. Poor Jeremy being first on the scene when going to work.

It wouldn´t prove anything if he was first to work and alerted the police. I don´t see the importance of that?