And so, members of the raid team, falsified the contents of their statements...

[smiffy]

Collecting items of evidence and the basic system used ....
well going by the numbering it seems the SOC officers involved..Davidson and the Hammersley substitute  started at the bullet cases DRH 1 and 2. These being picked up and bagged fairly near the start of the SOC role. If the pictures of Sheila and the area around her are anything to go by...then these 2 bullet cases had been picked up and bagged prior to the photographs being taken.

Clearly ...Woodcock ..had no real role here and has fabricated his claimed involvement in the post photograph  claims by him.

As he claims to only be aware (or more) of the bullets at this time...he must have known their locations beforehand to make the later false claims.   This does strongly suggest he had handled the bullet cases previously and may have been involved in placing them for SOC officers to find. Likewise the rifle claims suggest he had handled it previous to the photographs being taken which again suggests he had placed the rifle on the body at some earlier time.

[clifford]

Collecting items of evidence and the basic system used ....
well going by the numbering it seems the SOC officers involved..Davidson and the Hammersley substitute  started at the bullet cases DRH 1 and 2. These being picked up and bagged fairly near the start of the SOC role. If the pictures of Sheila and the area around her are anything to go by...then these 2 bullet cases had been picked up and bagged prior to the photographs being taken.

Clearly ...Woodcock ..had no real role here and has fabricated his claimed involvement in the post photograph  claims by him.

As he claims to only be aware (or more) of the bullets at this time...he must have known their locations beforehand to make the later false claims.   This does strongly suggest he had handled the bullet cases previously and may have been involved in placing them for SOC officers to find. Likewise the rifle claims suggest he had handled it previous to the photographs being taken which again suggests he had placed the rifle on the body at some earlier time.

Is it just me, or are the opinions changing.
What with the moving of the rifle ect. It seems folks are implying that SC was set up.
If this is the case then it follows that SC was murdered, and was not the killer.
In regards of the blood on SC nightie, is it possible that the hand print was Junes.According to the experts June sat on the side of the bed. Is it possible that SC came to Junes aid, and June placed her hand on the nightie causing the handprint.
The problem I have is Mike thinks SC done the deed,and the next minute he clears her.
I still have an open mind, and am not convinced that JB is guilty, but the water is really being muddied.

[Alias]

Collecting items of evidence and the basic system used ....
well going by the numbering it seems the SOC officers involved..Davidson and the Hammersley substitute  started at the bullet cases DRH 1 and 2. These being picked up and bagged fairly near the start of the SOC role. If the pictures of Sheila and the area around her are anything to go by...then these 2 bullet cases had been picked up and bagged prior to the photographs being taken.

Clearly ...Woodcock ..had no real role here and has fabricated his claimed involvement in the post photograph  claims by him.

As he claims to only be aware (or more) of the bullets at this time...he must have known their locations beforehand to make the later false claims.   This does strongly suggest he had handled the bullet cases previously and may have been involved in placing them for SOC officers to find. Likewise the rifle claims suggest he had handled it previous to the photographs being taken which again suggests he had placed the rifle on the body at some earlier time.

Is it just me, or are the opinions changing.
What with the moving of the rifle ect. It seems folks are implying that SC was set up.
If this is the case then it follows that SC was murdered, and was not the killer.
In regards of the blood on SC nightie, is it possible that the hand print was Junes.According to the experts June sat on the side of the bed. Is it possible that SC came to Junes aid, and June placed her hand on the nightie causing the handprint.
The problem I have is Mike thinks SC done the deed,and the next minute he clears her.
I still have an open mind, and am not convinced that JB is guilty, but the water is really being muddied.

I agree. I am getting quite confused by it all!

[smiffy]

I have no reason to not think Sheila killed the other 4 .
What happened to Sheila is where it all gets confusing as the police have messed with the scene for reasons fully known to themselves.
I am of the view that something happened involving Sheila in the kitchen. Whether both shots were rececived by her in the kitchen or just one there and one in the bedroom is unclear..as is what weapon/s were used.
It is starting to unfold....Woodcock's lies and those of others are being exposed and from them what really happened may well be revealed.
It is clear to me that JB did not stage the body. The police did that...but what else did they do?
SUICIDE or MURDER...the police did not care which ...is my view...as long as their messing up was not exposed as this seems to have been their main priority...look after number one.....EP.

[Alias]

I have no reason to not think Sheila killed the other 4 .
What happened to Sheila is where it all gets confusing as the police have messed with the scene for reasons fully known to themselves.
I am of the view that something happened involving Sheila in the kitchen. Whether both shots were rececived by her in the kitchen or just one there and one in the bedroom is unclear..as is what weapon/s were used.
It is starting to unfold....Woodcock's lies and those of others are being exposed and from them what really happened may well be revealed.
It is clear to me that JB did not stage the body. The police did that...but what else did they do?
SUICIDE or MURDER...the police did not care which ...is my view...as long as their messing up was not exposed as this seems to have been their main priority...look after number one.....EP.


Can you explain why you think that is clear - and why exactly EP would have stage managed Sheila´s body.

[smiffy]

Be patient.....who was in control of all events after 7.30 .
EP was in control.

EP admit to one of their officers scrubbing some of the kitchen floor. Which bits..it cannot have been around Ralph...it cannot have been where the sugar was....it cannot have been the rug..which leaves in front of the sink and down the sides where the kitchen units and phone was....the spot that is most credible for where Sheila had been. The units there had blood splashes and this area was also stood in by Harris when he used the phone ..one would think... or did he?

The phone lead was out of place...did he reach over for the phone and hold or position it ..from where it was pictured to avoid standing in blood....before reaching over and placing it back more or less as it originally had been placed?

Harris Gibbons and Montgomery all in the kictchen together for when Harris made the call to Simpson..and Montgomery not wanting Adams and others in the house/kitchen at this time!!

Adams claim to viewing the body was after this time...when others had time to set things up as they wanted others to see things.

[mike tesko]

The huge bloodstain on the back of Sheila Caffells nightdress, has still not yet been explained either by EP, or its experts, or by any of the "guilty" brigade - my question is this, where could Sheila have been laid to get all that blood on the back of her nightdress, and none of this blood be found on the bedroom carpet beneath where her body ended up being stage managed and photographed?

[mike tesko]

Who's blood was this on the back of her nightdress?

How did it get there?

[Alias]

Who's blood was this on the back of her nightdress?

How did it get there?

Why don´t you think it is Sheila´s blood? Looks that way to me having seen the photos of her.

[mike tesko]

Who's blood was this on the back of her nightdress?

How did it get there?

Why don´t you think it is Sheila´s blood? Looks that way to me having seen the photos of her.

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It was not scientifically proven it was Sheila's Caffells blood, so why should I assume it was her blood?

How did that blood get there, that is the question?

[clifford]

Who's blood was this on the back of her nightdress?

How did it get there?

Why don´t you think it is Sheila´s blood? Looks that way to me having seen the photos of her.

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It was not scientifically proven it was Sheila's Caffells blood, so why should I assume it was her blood?

How did that blood get there, that is the question?

If as I suggested Shiela came to Junes aid is it not possible she sat on the bed to give some comfort to June and sat in the blood soaked bed. This is when June placed her hand on the nightie causing the handprint.
It seems logical to me that the two women were terrified, and sought to comfort each other.

[smiffy]

Can we have some common sense applied here;
I see no reason at all for the blood on sheila (bar the hand print for now) to have not been Sheila's.

The main mass of blood on the back is linked to the right underarm pooling of blood from Sheila's first neck wound.....This is no great issue for it to have come from anyone else. Blood on the bed will only transfer to areas of contact...so if Sheila sat on blood on the bed it would be seen on the bottom area of the nightdress. The diagram is not conversant with that.

What is conversant is the main patch of blood forming in the underarm area ..and from lying in or movement ..under own steam or by others this may mean she lies in the pool from this wound that had deposited on the floor...no great issues...but it does indicate some likely movement.
What is more telling are the more seperated smears on the back  and how they got there. The notes on the diagram indicating the stain originating on the inside of the garment and soaking through.

While various elaborate ways other peoples blood could be on the inside  of the nightdress could be theorised the most likely explanation and most credible is that these stains arose from Sheila herself and are linked to the main mass of staining in the underarm and right upper back area.
Clothes become ruffled ...especially ones of the nature of the nightdress. Though Sheila could ruffle her own clothes up with wriggling movements or similar I would be inclined to see the ruffling of the nighdress occurring when she is being picked up and carried.  Blood being deposited on the folds and wrinkles from the ruffling up. Considering the size of the nightdress I would expect the lower hem rising up to waist height or more , exposing her bottom etc , to create the patterns of smears on the diagram as she was bing moved...Any jolting as she was moved aiding in forming smears and blood transfer from the main heavier bloodstaining upon the folds and wrinkles of the gathered up nightdress. These smears/stains from contact on the inner faces of the nighdress.


Simply put..I see the  seperated group of smears arising from Sheila being carried/moved after  the main stain was already mostly  formed or well formed. This ties in with many other clear signs from other staining patterns etc that also very strongly indicate Sheila moved..under her own steam or was carried.