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The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« on: October 26, 2014, 12:04:PM »
Jeremy's OS says the police tried to frame him because they made a mistake on the night.

Believing Sheila was  dead when she was still alive. The raid team not noticing Sheila moving upstairs from the kitchen after they entered WHF, and too ashamed to admit their mistake. So framed Jeremy one month later.

Another poster, an author this week said Jeremy manages the OS.

If the police were so ashamed of their mistake,  why did they spend the first month supporting the murder/suicide theory ? It would risk highlighting their mistake.

There is no record of the defence making this accusation at trial. So it seems no one, apart from a few raid team officers, were aware that Sheila was alive in the kitchen and moved upstairs after one shot. So cannot see this as a reason for the police changing stance after one month, dangerously trying to frame an innocent man.

Perhaps the police changed stance after Julie approached her and the silencer tests came back. Both happening around the same time.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2014, 12:08:PM by Adam »
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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2014, 12:05:PM »
 The police DIDN'T frame Jeremy.  ::) Nobody did.  ::)

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2014, 12:07:PM »
The police DIDN'T frame Jeremy.  ::) Nobody did.  ::)

How did Sheila's, June's & Neville's blood, and June's DNA, and kitchen paint scratch marks get on the silencer ?
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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2014, 12:09:PM »
It was the way in which they handled the case that gave the impression that they had framed Jeremy. Then their shonkey workmanship was passed on to the relatives who went along with EP.

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2014, 12:10:PM »
Do you mean why did EP change what they found in August into September.

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2014, 12:13:PM »
 They made that many mistakes Patti and jumped to so many conclusions that half the time the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing. Logs didn't tally,notes the same.It was abysmal from start to finish. Some saw things,others didn't. What a total mess.

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2014, 12:17:PM »
They made that many mistakes Patti and jumped to so many conclusions that half the time the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing. Logs didn't tally,notes the same.It was abysmal from start to finish. Some saw things,others didn't. What a total mess.

Do you agree with Jeremy, that they changed direction after one month, because they were too ashamed to admit they thought Sheila was dead, when alive. And did not notice her walk upstairs ?
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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2014, 12:19:PM »
How did Sheila's, June's & Neville's blood, and June's DNA, and kitchen paint scratch marks get on the silencer ?

Correction. There appears to be some misunderstanding relating to the DNA found inside the moderator. As it stands at the moment Sheila's LCN DNA was accepted by the COA as not being inside the moderator.

The paint on the knurl end of the moderator could have made at any time before the tragedies.
I have my own theories about the scratch marks.

When a sample was taken from the underside of the mantel piece why did Jones and Cook not see the scratches on the 14th August? They put a yellow label on the mantel piece from where they got a sample.  On the 12 th August Jones was given the moderator and was aware of the possibility of red paint being on the moderator.  So why on the 14th does he take samples with Cook and fail to notice any scratch marks which so happened to be where the samples were taken from. I can't see how either of them failed to see the scratches. Unless the knife they used slipped and they made the scratches in an attempt to take the samples.  Then those same scratches were used in evidence or made to fit the evidence presented in court. It is possible if you look at it from both angles.  :-\

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2014, 12:20:PM »
Do you agree with Jeremy, that they changed direction after one month, because they were too ashamed to admit they thought Sheila was dead, when alive. And did not notice her walk upstairs ?





I agree with nobody.This is the way I personally see the way things panned out. The police are past-masters at covering up their mistakes.

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2014, 09:54:PM »
Jeremy's OS says the police tried to frame him because they made a mistake on the night.

Believing Sheila was  dead when she was still alive. The raid team not noticing Sheila moving upstairs from the kitchen after they entered WHF, and too ashamed to admit their mistake. So framed Jeremy one month later.

Another poster, an author this week said Jeremy manages the OS.

If the police were so ashamed of their mistake,  why did they spend the first month supporting the murder/suicide theory ? It would risk highlighting their mistake.

There is no record of the defence making this accusation at trial. So it seems no one, apart from a few raid team officers, were aware that Sheila was alive in the kitchen and moved upstairs after one shot. So cannot see this as a reason for the police changing stance after one month, dangerously trying to frame an innocent man.

Perhaps the police changed stance after Julie approached her and the silencer tests came back. Both happening around the same time.
I know for a fact that Essex Police are not liked by the Metropoliton Police. Was it Harrison, or someone else who said that Essex Police are very divided and that there is not much unity between them? I can't remember who said that? But if that was so in those days then one can make certain deductions as to why they could have ended up blaming Jeremy for a crime he did not do?
I have mentioned this before, but I'll say it again anyway. The original case was not based upon all the scenarios and so called evidence that we often see posted on this forum these days. In fact everyone though, even two of the jury members that Bamber was convicted upon the most flimsey of evidence.
Now some way arguse that now we have a better understanding of things that Bamber looks even moe guilty. But no. The reason he apparently looks guilty today is simply because of the many scenarios and assumptions that some have made concerning him. One example is their almost sycophantic attitude concerning Mugfords evidence and the dogmatic attitude and ear stopping that they exercise to ever consider that she would lie. That together with their utmost religious belief and blind faith they have in the silencer evidence and their supposed belief in the notion that no one could possibly fake such a thing. Add that to the belief that not only the notion that Mugford would not lie, but the belief that nearly everything that Jeremy said was a lie.
So once again he is found guilty by this modern day lynch mob on the basis of manufactured evidence and presumption.

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2014, 10:07:PM »
i know esse police arnt liked by the met but then agian the met arnt liked by anybody.

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2014, 11:03:PM »
I know for a fact that Essex Police are not liked by the Metropoliton Police. Was it Harrison, or someone else who said that Essex Police are very divided and that there is not much unity between them? I can't remember who said that? But if that was so in those days then one can make certain deductions as to why they could have ended up blaming Jeremy for a crime he did not do?
I have mentioned this before, but I'll say it again anyway. The original case was not based upon all the scenarios and so called evidence that we often see posted on this forum these days. In fact everyone though, even two of the jury members that Bamber was convicted upon the most flimsey of evidence.
Now some way arguse that now we have a better understanding of things that Bamber looks even moe guilty. But no. The reason he apparently looks guilty today is simply because of the many scenarios and assumptions that some have made concerning him. One example is their almost sycophantic attitude concerning Mugfords evidence and the dogmatic attitude and ear stopping that they exercise to ever consider that she would lie. That together with their utmost religious belief and blind faith they have in the silencer evidence and their supposed belief in the notion that no one could possibly fake such a thing. Add that to the belief that not only the notion that Mugford would not lie, but the belief that nearly everything that Jeremy said was a lie.
So once again he is found guilty by this modern day lynch mob on the basis of manufactured evidence and presumption.

As the Spectator said it is highly unlikely Julie would tell such serious lies for such a trivial reason. Or have the confidence to keep up the lie throughout such long term sustained pressure.


I created a thread asking whether there had been any other examples of 'apparent' jilted women telling lies in court. There had not.

The relatives could not frame Jeremy. All they could do was give the silencer to the police and ask them to frame him.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2014, 12:36:AM »
As the Spectator said it is highly unlikely Julie would tell such serious lies for such a trivial reason. Or have the confidence to keep up the lie throughout such long term sustained pressure.


I created a thread asking whether there had been any other examples of 'apparent' jilted women telling lies in court. There had not.

The relatives could not frame Jeremy. All they could do was give the silencer to the police and ask them to frame him.
You are unfortunately still stuck in that vortex of error in listening to others instead of searching for the truth.

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2014, 09:09:AM »
You are unfortunately still stuck in that vortex of error in listening to others instead of searching for the truth.






He is indeed Mr G. It's folk like him who create so many MOJ's,by following others rather than use his own thoughts to try and create a balance then take it from there.

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Re: The reason the police framed Jeremy ?
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2014, 09:42:AM »
Who on earth is the Spectator and what authority does this annonymous paper have in saying such a thing? In fact it's a silly generalisation to make. What about Hitler and the lies he made? He had a whole nation follow after his lies. The point is that her incentive to keep to her lies is the fact that if she confessed she would be prosecuted even today.