COLP interview of Robert Boutflour, dated 4th September 1991, 45 Pages:-

[mike tesko]

Anyway, the cat is out of the bag now, the silencer, blood found inside 'it' (DRB/1), and paint from the scratched mantelpiece upon 'it' (DRB/1), nothing but a cheap dirty low life trick, to help get the cops out of a tricky situation, and along the way increase the wealth entering into the pockets of the relatives!

[mike tesko]

When the news was broke to Jeremy that all his family were dead inside the farmhouse, he accused the firearms officers who had gone into the farmhouse brandishing firearms of shooting dead, one or other of the victims - little did he really know how close he was to the truth..

[Harry]

AE/1 is the cardboard box DRB/2

It's hard to make sense of the claim that AE/1 is the
cardboard box, if AE/1 is also DRB/2.

DRB/2 is the telescopic sight. That list of equivalent references is fake.

From the statement of DC Oakey dated October 25th 1985.

"At 1820 hours. on Wednesday, 11th September 1985, I was on duty, when I went to Oak Farm, Loamy Hill Road, Tolleshunt Major. I received from Mrs Ann Eaton one Nikko Stirling Telescopic Sight in box (Exhibit DRB/2 and an ABU carrier bag, containing seven boxes of fifty Eley Subsonic Hollowpoint .22 bullets and one empty .22 bullet box (Exhibit DRB/3).....

On top of one of the smaller boxes was a spot of what appeared to be blood. I later caused this smaller box, the Telescopic Sight box from Exhibit DBR/2 and the empty .22 bullet box from Exhibit DRB/3 to be forwarded to the Home Office Forensic science Laboratory. Huntingdon."

So AE/1 is the same as DRB/2! This is getting beyond a joke.

[David1819]

It's hard to make sense of the claim that AE/1 is the
cardboard box, if AE/1 is also DRB/2.

DRB/2 is the telescopic sight. That list of equivalent references is fake.

From the statement of DC Oakey dated October 25th 1985.

"At 1820 hours. on Wednesday, 11th September 1985, I was on duty, when I went to Oak Farm, Loamy Hill Road, Tolleshunt Major. I received from Mrs Ann Eaton one Nikko Stirling Telescopic Sight in box (Exhibit DRB/2 and an ABU carrier bag, containing seven boxes of fifty Eley Subsonic Hollowpoint .22 bullets and one empty .22 bullet box (Exhibit DRB/3).....

On top of one of the smaller boxes was a spot of what appeared to be blood. I later caused this smaller box, the Telescopic Sight box from Exhibit DBR/2 and the empty .22 bullet box from Exhibit DRB/3 to be forwarded to the Home Office Forensic science Laboratory. Huntingdon."

So AE/1 is the same as DRB/2! This is getting beyond a joke.

The list of equivalent references is fake lol.  You sound like someone who believes in a flat earth having to explain the photos of the earth taken from space. Insisting its fake and with nothing to substantiate the claim.

David Boutflour collected the following items from the gun cupboard on August 10th that ended up being taken to Ann Eatons house.

DRB/1, DRB/2 and DRB/3.

On the 12th of August Peter Eaton handed over DRB/1 to Stan Jones.

Come September when things were taken more seriously. The police wanted everything taken to Oak Farm to be sent to the lab thus they send Oakley to collected them.

Subsequently they find Peter Eatons fingerprints on the box that contained the silencer (DRB/3). This corroborates Stan Jones account of things because Peter Eaton had to put the box away then take it out in order to give the silencer to Stan Jones in the first place. This narrows down the suspects for planting the blood and paint down to AE,PE,DRB and RWB. Because according to Stan Jones, Peter Eaton pointed out the blood and paint on it to him.

But I guess you will now claim Peters fingerprints on the box is fake also.

How many more things do you have to insist is fake (in the absence of evidence) in order for this crackpottery of yours to work?

[Harry]

I thought that you might try to argue that when DC Oakey referred to the telescopic sight as DRB/2 he made a mistake. But you haven't even addressed the point at all.



If you refuse to give up on the idea that DRB/2 is the cardboard box, then what is the correct exhibit reference for the telescopic sight?

[Harry]

The silencer was found by the police on the morning of August 7th 1985. It was found in the gun cupboard by the police. That silencer is the one sent to Huntingdon laboratory on August 13th.

It is the silencer referred to by ACC Peter Simpson when held a press conference on September 17th.

Simpson was clear in stating that it had been found by the police on August 7th.

‘A silencer was found at the White House Farm on the day of the killings, but this does not have to mean anything suspicious.’

How could the relatives have a found a silencer on August 10th which had already been found by the police on August 7th?

[David1819]

The silencer was found by the police on the morning of August 7th 1985. It was found in the gun cupboard by the police. That silencer is the one sent to Huntingdon laboratory on August 13th.

It is the silencer referred to by ACC Peter Simpson when held a press conference on September 17th.

Simpson was clear in stating that it had been found by the police on August 7th.

‘A silencer was found at the White House Farm on the day of the killings, but this does not have to mean anything suspicious.’

How could the relatives have a found a silencer on August 10th which had already been found by the police on August 7th?

I have recently come across a transcript of this press conference. Lo and behold ACC Simpson says no such thing.

Like I have said numerous times. The one local news paper that keep being quoted here has made an error. Its rather obvious now the newspaper misunderstood what was said due to its ambiguity. And they have in-fact misquoted him a lot. What are we to expect from one local news paper anyway. 

[David1819]

I have recently come across a transcript of this press conference. Lo and behold ACC Simpson says no such thing.

Like I have said numerous times. The one local news paper that keep being quoted here has made an error. Its rather obvious now the newspaper misunderstood what was said due to its ambiguity. And they have in-fact misquoted him a lot. What are we to expect from one local news paper anyway. 

And so. The essence of this huge conspiracy is based on.

- An empty box that the silencer was found in

- An excel spread sheet were someone in Ewen Smiths office thought the silencer in the box was referred to in the present tense when it was actually reffered to in the past tense.

- A telephone call David Boutflour made in September talking about what he found in August.

- A local newspaper article that reports something that ACC Simpson never actually said.

- An old man with Alzheimer's remembering the police fingerprinting the house a month prior to when it actually happened.


Needless to say. I am not convinced.

[Jane]

Do we know if RB was suffering with Alzheimers as early as 1991, or are you just guessing/assuming?

[David1819]

Do we know if RB was suffering with Alzheimers as early as 1991, or are you just guessing/assuming?

IIUC he was completely senile by the time he died in 2010. Considering its a progressive illness that develops over time. I think its a reasonable assumption he would have been in the early stages of it by his 60s.

In the case files you will find he gets numerous dates and things mixed up and wrong, more so than anyone else. So I think this explains it, don't you?

[Jane]

IIUC he was completely senile by the time he died in 2010. Considering its a progressive illness that develops over time. I think its a reasonable assumption he would have been in the early stages of it by his 60s.

In the case files you will find he gets numerous dates and things mixed up and wrong, more so than anyone else. So I think this explains it, don't you?

Alzheimers is a progressive illness but I've never known it to last 20 years, besides which, it's the short term memory which fails first, victims forgetting what they did yesterday but having clear recall of past events.

[Caroline]

IIUC he was completely senile by the time he died in 2010. Considering its a progressive illness that develops over time. I think its a reasonable assumption he would have been in the early stages of it by his 60s.

In the case files you will find he gets numerous dates and things mixed up and wrong, more so than anyone else. So I think this explains it, don't you?

There was 19 years between COLP and RWB's death in 2010. Once again you have made a completely sweeping statement as though you are qualified to do so. At 67 years of age, it's no wonder that RWB 'forgot things'! But not so long ago, according to you, he was a mastermind, even managing to talk Julie into following his lead. I guess it suits this post for him to be an old man with Alzheimers but for another to be cunning and calculating! 

[lookout]

Alzheimers can take years to develop even before the disease is actually diagnosed.

[lookout]

It was something I'd pondered a few years ago myself that RWB had a problem, especially by the stance of his pic. at the funeral as you can clearly see it in some people as the disease advances.

[lookout]

In our 40's, we can all experience our times of forgetfulness then 30 years later that could become more than just forgetting the odd thing so it's highly possible to suffer full-blown alzheimers as the brain loses its ability to contain present day occurrences so it struggles to remember.
Frustration can push them towards violence as I've encountered in the past.