Author Topic: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?  (Read 86727 times)

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sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2011, 05:04:PM »
Jeremy gave evidence that Sheila had 'flipped' as she was prone to doing.

Sheila had been in an unsuccessful marriage. When the marriage broke down she became depressed and her state of mind deteriorated further, resulting in her becoming a sufferer of paranoid schizophrenia. On two occasions she had had been admitted to a hospital because of her condition. Indeed just days before the shootings she had been discharged from a hospital. Psychiatric reports noted that her illness was centred on her children whom she referred to, according to one report, as "the Devil's children". Sheila's psychiatrist, Dr Ferguson, wrote in his report that Sheila had also expressed suicidal ideation. Before the shootings, she had not been taking her prescribed medication that was used to control her state of mind.

According to Bamber, a discussion had taken place on the eve of the deaths, during which it was suggested that Sheila's two twin sons should be fostered on a part time basis due to her illness, or that another alternative for their care should be considered. Such discussions could have sparked a schizophrenic episode, creating the belief in her mind that killing her children, her parents and then herself, was the most appropriate means by which the issue could be resolved.

I find this hard to believe.  Ralph and June would have cared for the twins should it have become necessary.  Fostering out of the family would have been a non starter. In any event, the twins were normally looked after by their father, Colin Caffell.

One must remember that both Sheila and Jeremy were adopted since Ralph Nevill Bamber and his wife June could not have children.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2011, 05:16:PM by sandy »

sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2011, 05:21:PM »
Yes, according to the police logs, Nevill phoned the police some 10 minutes before Jeremy phoned them.

3.17am Nevill:   “Daughter gone berserk”, reads: “Mr Bamber, White House Farm, Tolleshunt d’Arcy – daughter Sheila Bamber, aged 26 years, has got hold of one of my guns.”

3.27am Jeremy:  “You’ve got to help me. My father’s just phoned me, he said, ‘Please come over, your sister has gone crazy and has got the gun’.”

This could have been all part of the plan in any event, the hit-man could have phoned the police followed by the call from Jeremy.

« Last Edit: April 02, 2011, 05:28:PM by sandy »

sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2011, 05:26:PM »
Detectives initially assumed she was behind the killings before suspicion fell on Jeremy Bamber when scratch marks were found on a shelf above the Aga, allegedly caused by a silencer fitted to the murder weapon.

The silencer was found in a gun cupboard, and police deduced it would have been impossible for Sheila Caffell to return it there after shooting herself.

The paint on the mantelpiece above the kitchen was not scratched by the gun silencer in the alleged fight with Nevill as the crown stated. There were no scratch marks at all on the police photographs taken at 9.00am following the murder and these were stage managed by the police some weeks later as a photographic expert has later confirmed.  Also, no paint debris was found on the floor of the kitchen in the examination of the room by the forensic officers.
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sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2011, 05:37:PM »
The one piece of evidence which concerns me is the total lack of firearm discharge residue or oil from the rifle found on Sheila's nightdress.  Remember, if what the defence contend is correct, she fired the rifle 25 times at very close range without leaving any traces on her or her nightdress. 

All traces had vanished as if by magic??


simong

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2011, 05:40:PM »
Yes, according to the police logs, Nevill phoned the police some 10 minutes before Jeremy phoned them.

3.17am Nevill:   “Daughter gone berserk”, reads: “Mr Bamber, White House Farm, Tolleshunt d’Arcy – daughter Sheila Bamber, aged 26 years, has got hold of one of my guns.”

3.27am Jeremy:  “You’ve got to help me. My father’s just phoned me, he said, ‘Please come over, your sister has gone crazy and has got the gun’.”

This could have been all part of the plan in any event, the hit-man could have phoned the police followed by the call from Jeremy.

Have you read the threads about Nevill's alleged phonecall to Police? Been pretty much explained away, however, Mike has localised itemised phone bills up to July 1985 from WHF. The police have the August phone bill which would show the call from Nevill though. Mike can't post any of the bills he has here, so i imagine that JB's defence will be using this huge piece of evidence for the CCRC.

sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2011, 05:40:PM »
The firearms officers who were the first to see her body noted that her feet and hands
were “perfectly clean”. Her fingernails were well manicured and not broken and there were no marks or indentations on any of her fingers. All her fingertips were clean and free from any blood, dirt or powder and there appeared to be no trace of any lead dust or coating which is usual when handling .22 ammunition.

Had Sheila reloaded the .22 rifle with 25 rounds on at least two occasions, she would have had residue on her inner hands and fingers.

Sheila had a choice of guns which her father kept locked away, he was very strict about this…Jeremy wishes the public to believe he left a loaded gun and ammunition on the kitchen table. Ralph Bamber would have laughed at the thought…he had two young boys in the home…The guns were ALWAYS locked away.

« Last Edit: April 02, 2011, 05:45:PM by sandy »

sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2011, 05:41:PM »
Yes, according to the police logs, Nevill phoned the police some 10 minutes before Jeremy phoned them.

3.17am Nevill:   “Daughter gone berserk”, reads: “Mr Bamber, White House Farm, Tolleshunt d’Arcy – daughter Sheila Bamber, aged 26 years, has got hold of one of my guns.”

3.27am Jeremy:  “You’ve got to help me. My father’s just phoned me, he said, ‘Please come over, your sister has gone crazy and has got the gun’.”

This could have been all part of the plan in any event, the hit-man could have phoned the police followed by the call from Jeremy.

Have you read the threads about Nevill's alleged phonecall to Police? Been pretty much explained away, however, Mike has localised itemised phone bills up to July 1985 from WHF. The police have the August phone bill which would show the call from Nevill though. Mike can't post any of the bills he has here, so i imagine that JB's defence will be using this huge piece of evidence for the CCRC.

Makes no difference anyway, anyone could make a call to police and say they were Nevill Bamber.

simong

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2011, 05:47:PM »
It would make a massive difference. WHF call to Police with time on bill , WHF call to JB with time on bill, JB's call to Police is logged. If JB has called the Police pretty much as quickly as he said he did then he could never have committed the murders, got to his house and called the police in that timeframe. He couldn't have done it and he is a free man.

sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2011, 05:48:PM »
The split sugar aside, if Sheila had been wandering around the farmhouse shooting everyone she would have had dirt on her feet.

DC Hammersley, the Scenes of Crimes Officer placed plastic bags over Sheila Caffell’s hands and feet before her body was removed from the farmhouse. He saw some blood staining to the back of the right hand, but apart from that the hands, to his eye were clean and the nails intact.

The deceased s feet were also free from blood staining and from any debris such as sugar.

sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2011, 05:52:PM »
It would make a massive difference. WHF call to Police with time on bill , WHF call to JB with time on bill, JB's call to Police is logged. If JB has called the Police pretty much as quickly as he said he did then he could never have committed the murders, got to his house and called the police in that timeframe. He couldn't have done it and he is a free man.

How so?

Having the time on the bill doesn't indicate who made the call. 

Jeremy didn't even need to have left the cottage if Mugford is to be believed.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2011, 05:53:PM by sandy »

simong

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2011, 06:00:PM »
If it said on the itemised bill a call from WHF to Police at 3.17am. Call from WHF to Goldhanger at 3.27am and the Police receive a call from JB at 3.35am from Goldhanger then having driven that journey myself, he couldn't have physically got out of the farmhouse, into his car driven to Goldhanger, got out of his car, into his house and called the police in 8 minutes which means he didn't do what he was convicted of and should be released immediately. So i think the localised itemised phone bill is huge evidence.

clifford

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2011, 06:05:PM »
Please listen, Sheila did NOT do it. Sheila was murdered along with her family. How could she shoot herself twice. Did she think after the first shot had failed, she decided to have another go. I dont buy this. She loved her kids,as most women do, and would have protected them to the best of her ability.
Look deeper than Sheila. She may of been unbalanced,but to blame her is unjust in my opinion, as Mike would say.
This leaves Jeremy, or a third party.
We have yet to hear about the father who,s son Ralph sent down, who swore revenge. In fact the police  took this threat so seriously they installed a security device. Cant understand why Ralph never used it.
Did Seila put the gun under her chin, and shoot herself,ask yourself. would you. the answer is NO.

sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2011, 06:11:PM »
If it said on the itemised bill a call from WHF to Police at 3.17am. Call from WHF to Goldhanger at 3.27am and the Police receive a call from JB at 3.35am from Goldhanger then having driven that journey myself, he couldn't have physically got out of the farmhouse, into his car driven to Goldhanger, got out of his car, into his house and called the police in 8 minutes which means he didn't do what he was convicted of and should be released immediately. So i think the localised itemised phone bill is huge evidence.

Not if he engaged a hit-man as confided in Mugford.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2011, 06:12:PM by sandy »

sandy

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2011, 06:15:PM »
Is it true that Jeremy went on a spending spree following the murders and tried to sell naked pictures of his sister, Sheila Bamber aka Bambi??

Not exactly the actions of a son and brother in mourning is it??

They do say blood is thicker than water!
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clifford

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Re: Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2011, 06:15:PM »
Mugford has alresdy been discredited. Sold story ect.