Was Sheila Caffell set up by her brother Jeremy Bamber?

[sandy]

I'm not sure what the boys had to do with the inheritance. It was Sheila who would have got half of it, not the boys.

What makes you think that Kaldin?

Are you suggesting that the Bamber inheritance would have been divided into four - one quarter for Jeremy and the rest for Sheila and the boys?

I know what happens in these cases Kaldin and the passage of time has a funny way of changing things.

I am quite sure that Ralph would have made provisions for the twins as they became of age.  It was quite possible that Jeremy could have fallen out of favour by then so there was only one way to make sure of this wasn't there??

Sheila's mental deterioration would also probably influence Ralph to make alternative arrangements in relation to any share she may be entitled to.

[mike tesko]

I'm not sure what the boys had to do with the inheritance. It was Sheila who would have got half of it, not the boys.

What makes you think that Kaldin?

Are you suggesting that the Bamber inheritance would have been divided into four - one quarter for Jeremy and the rest for Sheila and the boys?

I know what happens in these cases Kaldin and the passage of time has a funny way of changing things.

I am quite sure that Ralph would have made provisions for the twins as they became of age.  It was quite possible that Jeremy could have fallen out of favour by then so there was only one way to make sure of this wasn't there??

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And the relatives were out of the picture altogether by this stage, and there was only ever going to be one way they would / could get back in the picture...

The rest is history...

[sandy]

I'm not sure what the boys had to do with the inheritance. It was Sheila who would have got half of it, not the boys.

What makes you think that Kaldin?

Are you suggesting that the Bamber inheritance would have been divided into four - one quarter for Jeremy and the rest for Sheila and the boys?

I know what happens in these cases Kaldin and the passage of time has a funny way of changing things.

I am quite sure that Ralph would have made provisions for the twins as they became of age.  It was quite possible that Jeremy could have fallen out of favour by then so there was only one way to make sure of this wasn't there??

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And the relatives were out of the picture altogether by this stage, and there was only ever going to be one way they would / could get back in the picture...

The rest is history...

They were never in the picture Mike so the question never arose.

[Kaldin]

I agree Sandy. They were never in the picture for the Bamber money. The Bambers had two children and not many people with children leave their money to others.

[Alias]

I don´t know how these things are legislated in England, but I can explain how it works here.
I have two sisters. One of my sisters sadly passed away a few years ago. Our mother is still alive, but when she passes away, my living sister and I receive 1/3 each, the last 1/3 will be divided between my deceased sister´s children. Not through a will, this is the law here. I think it might very well be the same in England.

[chelmsey]

The Judge himself said that a person cannot be convicted on a motive alone. The relatives had just as much of a motive!If you remove the evidence of JM as hearsay and remove the controversial evidence of the silencer.then that leaves the alleged telephone call.The defence couldnt prove that it happened and the prosecution couldnt prove that it didnt happen!

They didn't have a motive to kill those five people unless Jeremy was dead too.

I meant that the realatives had a good motive for Jeremy being convicted.

[sandy]

The Judge himself said that a person cannot be convicted on a motive alone. The relatives had just as much of a motive!If you remove the evidence of JM as hearsay and remove the controversial evidence of the silencer.then that leaves the alleged telephone call.The defence couldnt prove that it happened and the prosecution couldnt prove that it didnt happen!

They didn't have a motive to kill those five people unless Jeremy was dead too.

I meant that the realatives had a good motive for Jeremy being convicted.

They certainly had everything to gain but by murdering 5 people including two youngsters??

Does anyone know if Sheila and Jeremy were blood related?

[Kaldin]

I don´t know how these things are legislated in England, but I can explain how it works here.
I have two sisters. One of my sisters sadly passed away a few years ago. Our mother is still alive, but when she passes away, my living sister and I receive 1/3 each, the last 1/3 will be divided between my deceased sister´s children. Not through a will, this is the law here. I think it might very well be the same in England.

The Bambers had made wills though - they weren't intestate. I don't know the terms of the will. They may have stipulated that if Sheila died before them, the twins should get her share.

[sandy]

I have every confidence that Ralph would have changed his will in later years to accommodate the grandchildren and take account of Sheila's ongoing condition.

[sandy]

Some issues that I must bring to your attention.

The time taken to drive from Jeremy's cottage to the farm is only about 5 minutes, plenty of time to make a phone call from the farm and then another one from the cottage.

Jeremy was renowned for usually driving like a maniac and had been chastised on many occasions by Ralph for doing so. Why then on the day of the murder did he toddle along like noddy and was in no rush whatsoever even though he knew Ralph was in trouble?

A wetsuit was found on the farm shortly after the murder, it is contended that Jeremy used this in the execution of the crime.

[andrea]

even if jb is guilty, i dont buy the bike and a wetsuit theory

[chelmsey]

even if jb is guilty, i dont buy the bike and a wetsuit theory

me neither 

[Kaldin]

Some issues that I must bring to your attention.

The time taken to drive from Jeremy's cottage to the farm is only about 5 minutes, plenty of time to make a phone call from the farm and then another one from the cottage.

Jeremy was renowned for usually driving like a maniac and had been chastised on many occasions by Ralph for doing so. Why then on the day of the murder did he toddle along like noddy and was in no rush whatsoever even though he knew Ralph was in trouble?

A wetsuit was found on the farm shortly after the murder, it is contended that Jeremy used this in the execution of the crime.

I had no idea a wetsuit was found on the farm. 

If Jeremy had driven to the farm and back, some of his neighbours might have heard the car, so I don't think he would have risked that.

[sandy]

The car sounds better. If he had already used the car and at speed the engine would be hot.  Thus the need to be on the road with the car after he had reported the call from Ralph to the police and the greater need not to beat the police to the scene.

Lets be honest guys.  If your father phoned you asking for help because your deranged sister had a gun would you doddle along at 20 mph???

[Paul]

Some issues that I must bring to your attention.

The time taken to drive from Jeremy's cottage to the farm is only about 5 minutes, plenty of time to make a phone call from the farm and then another one from the cottage.

Jeremy was renowned for usually driving like a maniac and had been chastised on many occasions by Ralph for doing so. Why then on the day of the murder did he toddle along like noddy and was in no rush whatsoever even though he knew Ralph was in trouble?

A wetsuit was found on the farm shortly after the murder, it is contended that Jeremy used this in the execution of the crime.

I had no idea a wetsuit was found on the farm. 

If Jeremy had driven to the farm and back, some of his neighbours might have heard the car, so I don't think he would have risked that.

No, it'd be silly. A car has a number plate. A bike or a run home would be better - jump in hedge if anyone is coming. No idea how a wetsuit fits in, but it'd be hard to get it on and off. And probably wouldnt burn that well if you are disposing of it by fire.